Jonathan Gray on Real Estate: Invest For Kids Chicago 2016

We're posting up notes from the Invest For Kids 2016 investment conference.  Next up is Jonathan Gray, head of real estate at Blackstone who talked about real estate.


Jonathan Gray's Presentation at Invest For Kids Chicago 2016

•    16% net return to Blackstone

•    Our edge is scale and conviction

•    We seek an opportunity to buy it, fix it, sell it

•    Timing on Hilton and EOP deals in 2007 was poor, but still made 3x our investors’ money because we had the right structure and we didn’t panic; both were good assets and while levered they had reserves and no covenants; key was not being forced to sell; and had 2/3 of EOP assets not been sold 90 days after closing to delever, we wouldn’t be sitting here

•    Airbnb has reduced hotels’ pricing power, but most are leisure travels; business travels often still want hotels

•    Record occupancy across hotel industry

•    Good opportunity in logistics but a real challenge for retail, especially “generic consumer supply” retail

•    We’re looking to own in areas that are exciting and driven by technology/innovation: Bay Area, Seattle, New York

•    Risks today: sharp jump in rates due to wage inflation; political crisis leading to economic crisis in Europe; China deceleration gets worse

o    All are risks but none are base case

•    Sam Zell says I’m too optimistic but I think we’re likely to continue slow growth; housing recovery has legs; banks are in good shape; realistic but trying to find opportunity in slow growth world

•    Powerful urbanization trend in Chicago – people want to come here and live in the city, with companies like McDonald’s and Conagra following them


Be sure to check out the rest of the presentations from Invest For Kids 2016.

Delivering Alpha Real Estate Panel: Ackman, Sternlicht & Gray

Continuing coverage of CNBC & Institutional Investor's Delivering Alpha Conference, we're now shifting to the real estate panel featuring Pershing Square's Bill Ackman, Starwood Capital Group's Barry Sternlicht and Blackstone Group's Johnathan Gray.

If you missed it, we've also posted up notes from the other panels at the conference.

Bill Ackman (Pershing Square):  Ackman's been in the news recently regarding a new stake in Proctor & Gamble (PG) so naturally he addressed that first saying, "We think it's a great company ... it's a cheap stock, but it's cheap for a reason.  We own the stock, we like the company, we own about $1.8 billion in equity in options."

That's a lot when you frame it in the context of a $10 billion dollar fund.  Recently, Ackman was also saying his PG bet is the largest initial bet on a company he's ever made.  Many have postured that he'll look to shake-up management and examine splitting the business up.

Ackman also touched on his stake in J.C. Penney (JCP), whose shares have been in steady decline.  He argued that it's the only company that can make 15-20x return (seems awful high), attributing the sell-off to a PR problem versus fundamentals.

On the subject of real estate, he advocated buying single family homes, arguing that it's a good business and an "asset class where institutions are underrepresented."  For more from this investor, we just posted up Ackman's recommended reading list.


Barry Sternlicht (Starwood Capital):  He noted that there's enough debt financing and that spreads are tight.  He also pointed out that you don't really see foreign banks here.

Echoing Ackman, Sternlicht says they've been buying houses and thinks the market could even possibly be overbought.  On Europe, he thinks it's still the first inning there so if you get involved, you've got to buy and hold.  We've highlighted thoughts from Sternlicht before in investing lessons learned from Richard Rainwater.


Johnathan Gray (Blackstone):  They bought a lot of commercial real estate near the top of the market but said it's not painful because rents are improving (due to lack of new construction).  He believes there's some opportunity out there to buy things that others aren't interested in.  The caveat, is that financing is harder to obtain than in the past.

Blackstone obviously likes Ackman's notion of buying homes as that's what they've been doing.  Two thousand for $300 million, saying execution is key.  He especially seems to like European deals and thinks the continent is not going into an abyss.  In summary, he wants to buy hard assets at a discount to replacement cost.


Be sure to check out more insights from top investors from the conference:

- Best ideas panel

- Global opportunities panel

- Chase for yield panel