Leon Cooperman's Value Investing Congress Presentation

At day two of the Value Investing Congress, Leon Cooperman of hedge fund Omega Advisors gave the case for going long Apple (AAPL) and E*Trade (ETFC) in a presentation entitled "The Investment Outlook & Some Attractive Values."

Be sure to check out all of our notes from the Value Investing Congress.


Leon Cooperman (Omega Advisors)

Embedded below is the full slideshow presentation from Cooperman:




"Like it or not, we've entered a world of risk-on risk-off macro world." Four conclusions that require four assumptions:

1. Assume US will avoid recession; remain slow growth at worst: Metrics suggest we are not on a recession track. Bank lending improving, consumer savings rate up to 4% from 1%, debt service ratio good. Not a “feel good” environment, with 9% unemployment, 10% only part-time. “I take very strong exception to the idea that 2011 is another 2008.” Corporate America most cash on balance sheets since 1955. Oil drop from 115 to 80.

2. Assume that Eurozone will effectively ring-fence Greek sovereign debt issues: “We expect sane policies to prevail, since there is no choice.” His view, based on 45 years of experience, is when the problem is so catastrophic, and expected to occur, it doesn’t occur. He thinks they’ll follow the US banking model, raise capital, shed noncore assets, delever.

3. Assumption that failed, Obama would come to the center: He says it’s not happening. Old expression: “When the President is in trouble, the market is in trouble.” He rants against Obama- says he only wants to tax the wealthy, debase the dollar, borrow from the world to create a welfare state.

4. Assume the Middle East settles down, oil prices stay reasonable: At 1100, the SPX had already discounted a mild recession that was not happening. He says stocks are compelling valuations here. Says market dropped 20%, a traditional recession market correction is 25%. Thinks the recent lows of 1100 are the downside for the cycle. Requires two of the top 4 assumptions.

Even if we did have a recession, SPX eps usually only drops 15-20%, so even if they did drop, he says 14 times trough earnings to be very compelling. He still expects SPX eps of $100 or more in 2012. Still in early stages of an economic recovery.

Valuation: Stocks are cheap relative to history, inflation, and interest rates. Last 50 years, SPX ave P/E was 15x. Now multiple is 11.6x, with only 2% interest rates vs. 6.6% average. Highest ERP in 20 years. Average bear market bottom the P/E was 12x, where we are now. Just had one of the worst 10 year return years in history, believes will mean revert. Corporate bonds are nowhere near where they were in 2008/9, down 70% in yield, yet SPX is 2 multiples lower than it was back then. He is starting to buy corporate bonds with 9% yields. 45% of the SPX stocks now pay higher yields than 10-year treasury bonds- same high level as 2009, we haven’t seen this in 50 years.

Avoid treasuries: Says 10-year bonds historically yield same as nominal GDP. Says if you believe we get 2% growth, plus 2-3% inflation, that’s 4-5% yield, and bonds will lose a lot of money. Still predicts low growth for next decade: 2-2.5% GDP, 2-2.5% inflation, 4-5% nominal GDP, stocks make 7-9%, treasuries negative return.

“You don’t have to have a strongly rising stock market to make a lot of money.” 1967 Dow was 1000, 10 years later, 1982, the Dow was 1000. Over time, there is ample opportunity to find things that are mispriced to the market. (They had EP yesterday as a 2% position before the buyout).

He’s 78% net long, says things look very cheap. With a little patience, can make a great deal of money.


Top Ten Long Ideas:

Apple (AAPL): Less than 10x multiple net of cash. Succession clear. Financial policies somewhat destructive, sitting on $80B in cash, but that may change.

Boston Scientific (BSX): 20% FCF yield

Qualcomm (QCOM): 16% grower trading for 12x

Sallie Mae (SLM)

ACE (ACE)

Transocean (RIG): Says deep water drilling cycle is turning. 6.5% yield, well covered dividend, day rate is improving. Says stock is discounting $5-10B, but will settle for $1-2B

Exxon Mobil (XOM)

KKR (KKR): Dividend paying stock, but get K1, getting 9% yield, and expects growth.

Energy XXI (EXXI)

E*Trade Financial (ETFC): Ken Griffin involved, TD Ameritrade (AMTD) could buy them. Mortgage losses over, even with no deal, management is on the right track.


For more from the Omega Advisors manager, head to Cooperman's thoughts from Delivering Alpha.


Don't miss the rest of the hedge fund manager presentations in our notes from the Value Investing Congress.

Ira Sohn Conference Notes Part 2: Ackman, Einhorn, Eisman, Icahn, Greenblatt

This is part 2 of our ongoing coverage of presentations given by top hedge fund managers at the Ira Sohn Conference today. Be sure to check out part 1 of our notes from Ira Sohn which includes presentations from Dinakar Singh, Jim Chanos, Phil Falcone and more.

Part 2:


Steve Eisman / FrontPoint Partners: Eisman was profiled in Michael Lewis' great book, The Big Short as one of the big winners in the subprime trade. Last year at Ira Sohn, he said to short for-profit education stocks and that trade paid off as many stocks were down anywhere from 25% to 72% over the past year.

This time around, Eisman focused on US financials, asking "are financials dead forever?" He notes that credit quality is improved but interest margins will most likely continue to contract.

Eisman likes property and casualty insurers, citing the potential for commercial policy pricing to improve. He noted that his year has been particularly hard hit with natural disasters, leading to large insurance losses. He thinks P&C insurers are a 'buy' even if there's another big disaster.

He says the least risky way to play this is via insurance brokers like Marsh & McLennan (MMC), Willis Group (WSH), and Aon (AON). You can read an in-depth analysis of AON in the free sample of our Hedge Fund Wisdom newsletter (direct .pdf download link).

For riskier plays, Eisman points to pure reinsurers based in Bermuda and pulled up a list of them, the most well-known of which is probably Ace (ACE).


Bill Ackman / Pershing Square Capital: Ackman said to buy Family Dollar (FDO). He likes the dollar-store chain because it is like Walmart, but there's room to grow. He also notes the company's solid return on capital as they can build plenty of new stores. Many of Ackman's plays are retail or real estate focused and this one is no different.

FDO actually received a bid to go private from Nelson Peltz's Trian Fund, who offered between $55 to $60 per share in February. They are one of the largest shareholders, owning almost 8% of FDO's shares. Ackman believes that FDO is an attractive target for a leveraged buyout.

Ackman notes that Family Dollar has fallen behind competitor Dollar General (DG) ever since KKR bought DG and now FDO has to improve. The Pershing Square manager thinks shares will trade as much as 70% higher (FDO currently trades around $55 and Ackman thinks it's worth up to $92 including dividends). He also mentioned that his hedge fund was even buying shares today.

We also covered that Ackman started an activist position in Alexander & Baldwin (ALEX).


Joel Greenblatt / Gotham Capital: The value investor talked about the advantage of having a long-term investment horizon. He emphasizes investments that fall under the 'time arbitrage' classification. Market Folly readers will recall that Blue Ridge Capital's founder and hedge fund manager John Griffin also uses this approach. He classifies investments as either time arbitrage or catalyst driven.

Greenblatt's picks included a myriad of names, including: WellPoint (WLP), GameStop (GME), Intel (INTC), Walgreens (WAG), Nordstrom (JWN), Bed Bath & Beyond (BBBY), and Humana (HUM).

He also has a new book out entitled, The Big Secret for the Small Investor: A New Route to Long-Term Investment Success. You can also check out his recommended reading list here.


David Einhorn / Greenlight Capital: Einhorn's presentation laid out the bull case for life insurer Delta Lloyd (AMS: DL), traded in the Netherlands. This is one of his hedge fund's largest positions.

His second pick was Microsoft (MSFT). The tech giant has attracted lots of value investors as of late and you can view fellow hedge fund T2 Partners' presentation on MSFT here. Einhorn says the company still has a shot at the smartphone market with its partnership with Nokia (NOK). He also notes that it is trading at a discount as the market isn't giving them credit for their solid position in cloud computing.

Einhorn also said that CEO Steve Ballmer doesn't care what Wall Street thinks and that could possibly be a good thing. However, he conceded that Ballmer is "stuck in the past" and said that Ballmer's "continued presence is the biggest overhang on Microsoft's stock." It's very clear Einhorn wants Ballmer fired.

We've also detailed Greenlight Capital's recent letter to investors for insight into their new positions in Yahoo! (YHOO) and Best Buy (BBY).


Carl Icahn / Icahn Partners: The legendary rabblerouser began his presentation by saying he's made a fortune by studying natural stupidity. Icahn said that "activism" in the old-school sense of the word is dead; there aren't anymore true corporate raiders anymore. He says that there's tons of money to be made by shaking things up at a company.

He went on to talk about why he returned outside investor capital in his funds. He simply didn't want to be responsible for the losses of others like he was during the 2008 crisis. Icahn fears further problems will arise in the markets in a year or two. His pitch at the conference? His holding company: Icahn Enterprises (IEP).


Mark Hart III / Corriente Advisors: If you're unfamiliar with Hart, then all you need to know is that he created subprime mortgage and sovereign debt funds well before the crises happened, profiting handsomely from the events that followed.

In his speech, Hart said to short China and this isn't the first time he's made this case. He argues that it is a credit fueled bubble and there are many misconceptions out there. It seems his conviction is high here as he says that China's bust will be much larger than the Asian crisis in the 90's.

Hart argues that inflation will end China's credit growth. This isn't the first time we've seen this argument. Hedge fund Kleinheinz Capital has in the past said that inflation is the biggest threat to emerging markets. Coincidentally, both Kleinheinz and Corriente operate out of Fort Worth, TX. Lastly, Hart mentioned he was buying puts on the renminbi.


Jeffrey Gundlach / DoubleLine: He used an Andy Warhol car crash painting as an illustration for the housing market. He said that Bank of America $BAC is a proxy for the ABX and says it's going lower. Gundlach likes natural gas.

Interestingly enough, Gundlach said that gold is too heavy to carry around to use as a form of currency to pay for things. Instead, he said to use gems to protect against a crash and uncertainty because they are more portable, noting that you can carry a ruby in your shoe. Gundlach prefers holding cash or gems instead of gold or silver.

As an aside, it's worth noting that diamond prices have been heading higher in recent months. They are not a publicly traded commodity and high demand from India and China seems to be driving prices there.


Marc Faber / Gloom Boom & Doom Report: Faber is very clearly not a fan of Ben Bernanke. He says that the Federal Reserve Chairman is a student of history regarding the Depression, but that Bernanke unfortunately doesn't know what caused it. Faber notes that as the Fed prints more money, cash and bonds obviously aren't good investments. He also joked that if everyone at Ira Sohn complained, Bernanke would come in and drop a trillion dollars right there.

Faber said not to own US government debt, even if the deflationists end up being right. He is also an advocate of owning gold but not storing it in one place. Faber says you need to store gold all over the world in Australia, Switzerland, etc. He also disputed Gundlach's notion to own gems over gold and said people will always value gold, even if you're in a jungle or desert because everyone knows what it is.


Steve Feinberg / Cerberus: He pitched residential mortgage backed securities (RMBS) as a compelling opportunity and labeled them 'cheap,' given the high amount of underwater loans and depressed home prices.


Peter May / Trian Fund Management: Peter May of Nelson Peltz's Trian Fund pitched upscale jeweler Tiffany & Co (TIF), citing "enormous price appreciation" ahead. Catalysts for TIF include new store openings, vertical integration, new watches, and increased analyst coverage and he said shares could see $100 (they currently trade around $70.)


If you missed it, be sure to also check out part 1 of our notes from Ira Sohn featuring investment ideas from Jim Chanos, Phil Falcone, Dinakar Singh and more.