Charlie Munger Interview: China's Weekly on Stocks

Charlie Munger of Berkshire Hathaway and Li Lu of Himalaya Capital were recently interviewed a few months ago with Chinese media: Weekly on Stocks.  If you're unfamiliar, Lu is Munger's investing partner in China, where he has been investing for 15 years.  We've also posted Li Lu's interview up in a separate post.

Here are a few excerpts from the interview, with full videos below.


Charlie Munger Interview With Weekly on Stocks

Munger's opinion on Chinese securities:  "For investors, having more value means buying the best company in China or buying the best company in the United States. Comparing the two securities markets in China and the United States, I think the current price of the best companies in China is cheaper than the best companies in the United States. Therefore, Chinese people do not have to go abroad to find good investments, and there are many opportunities in their own countries. There are some very good companies in China and the prices are very reasonable."

When asked if he can name specifics:  "Hey, we can't tell you (laughs). In short, the Chinese market is increasingly open to foreign investors, with more and more participation from abroad, and the market is becoming healthier. These are all very good and will eventually drive up market prices."

On whether Berkshire's circle of competence is expanding with recent tech investments:  "At present, it is difficult for Berkshire to find good and low-priced investment products in the US market. We have hardly found anything suitable. All in all, you can also say that Apple is an electronic consumer goods company. Warren said that we may know more about consumer electronics than computer science, which is why Berkshire bought Apple stock.  Also emphasize another reason why we do this. If you want to be a good investor, you must keep learning. In the process of continuous learning, the situation is changing, the reality is changing, our investment will change, and we will not be self-sufficient."

Will they make more tech investments going forward?  "We don't know everything, we don't know how to understand, we only do what we know. The only company we have announced that has already invested is Apple. I think Warren said that we know Apple better than other companies. We can't know everything, so we invest in investing in assets that we can find to provide good value.  Take a look at our investment in airlines. In the past few decades, we have been joking with investment airlines. Warren has a lot of jokes in this area.  But suddenly, we bought stocks of each airline, because the airline's stock price has fallen sharply, it is so cheap, very potential. The conditions have changed and we are all willing to own airline stocks.  Like airlines, Warren and I don't like railroad stocks for decades. After a few decades, we began to buy shares in the railway, because the world has changed and the technology has changed. In the end, there are only four large railway companies. Finally, we bought the largest and most complete railway company among the four.  We changed because the world has changed. This is our investment logic. When the reality changes, shouldn't your thoughts change?"

Embedded below are the videos:

Charlie Munger Interview Videos

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Be sure to also check out the separate Li Lu interview we posted here.

The transcript of Munger's interview (in Chinese) is here.  H/T to @TaoValue for posting the videos.

Li Lu - Himalaya Capital Interview: China's Weekly on Stocks

Li Lu of Himalaya Capital was recently interviewed by Chinese media Weekly on Stocks.  If you're unfamiliar, Lu is Charlie Munger's investment partner in China and Munger has invested in Lu's fund for quite some time.  Charlie Munger was also interviewed, and we posted that up separately.


Li Lu Interview With Weekly on Stocks (China)

Li Lu on Munger/Buffett: "And so it is precisely their indifferent attitude towards personal interests that they have achieved such a long term performance success."  "Everyone is envious of Berkshire but no one is willing to learn their indifference to personal interests."

Lu on his fund:  He charges no management fee and has a 6% hurdle, modeled after the original Buffett partnerships.

Lu on investing:  "The investment itself is a prediction.  The prediction is indeed the result of a comprehensive combination of capabilities.  How to perform is the extension of conduct, so one's character, knowledge, and mentality really affect the long-term results.  There is no doubt about this."

"If you do this simply for the purpose of making money, it is almost impossible to achieve extraordinary long-term performance."

"Instead the key is that the most important thing for investment is to invest in anything you know and to avoid anything you don't know."

On the ongoing evolution of China's market:  "Three transformations: indirect finance to direct finance, debt dominance to equity dominance, and policy finance to market finance.  Then the whole financial market is gradually transformed from a disordered state like a gambling house to a relatively long term rational and sound decision."

On good investor characteristics:  "An excellent investor indeed should be honest to knowledge but not to the opinions of others.  Indeed this is actually somewhat against the humanity for us as social animals.  Indeed it is like this for us it is very important whether our evidence and logic is correct than whether others agree with you is not so important... An excellent investor has somewhat anti-human characteristics."

"The most important part in investment is objectivity and reasonability.  And the second is a deep understanding of intellectual honesty... That is to know what you really understand."


Embedded below are the videos:

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For more on Li Lu, be sure to also check out a previous Columbia Business School interview with Li Lu.

H/T to @TaoValue for posting the videos.

Li Lu's Sohn Conference Presentation on Korean Preferreds

We're posting up notes from the Ira Sohn Conference 2013 in New York.  Next up is a summary of the presentation from Li Lu of Himalaya Capital.  He presented on preferred stock of Samsung, Hyundai and A-1 Pacific, arguing that Korean preferreds are cheap because there's irrational perception that they aren't debt or equity.


Korean Preferreds: Samsung, Hyundai, A-1 Pacific

Li Lu is a Buffett disciple and he was considered to take over Buffett's fund.  Idea: Korean preferred stocks, Samsung (an idea he also pitched about 4- 5 years ago).  Talked about the accounting treatment of preferred shares, and stock options.

Earlier this week, we drew attention to a rare interview with Li Lu on investment process which is definitely worth a read.  And for more, here's a talk Li Lu gave.


Check out the rest of the hedge fund presentations from the event: notes from Ira Sohn Conference 2013.

Li Lu's Presentation at FAME Student Investment Conference

This week we highlighted Li Lu's interview in Columbia Business School's Spring newsletter of Graham & Doddsville.  Today, thanks to Santangels Review, we wanted to share a video of Li Lu's presentation at the FAME Student Investment Conference.

Li Lu manages Himalaya Capital and has been endorsed by Charlie Munger as a talented investor.  And for a man that was recently under the radar, he's certainly been popping up in the public as of late.

Embedded below are video of Li Lu's talk:

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Be sure to also check out the extensive interview with Li Lu in Graham & Doddsville.

Graham & Doddsville Newsletter: Interview With Li Lu (Columbia Business School)

Columbia Business School is out with its Graham & Doddsville investment newsletter for Spring 2013.  It features an interview with Li Lu of Himalaya Capital, a man who was dubbed one of Charlie Munger's favorite investment managers.

This interview is really fantastic as he touches on investment process a lot so we'd recommend reading the whole thing below.  But for those pressed for time, here are the takeaways:


Highlights From Li Lu's Interview

On value investing: "There are few people that switch in between or get it gradually.  They either get it right away or they don't get it at all.  I never really tried anything else.  The first time I heard it, it just made sense; and I heard it from the best."

On defining yourself as an investor:  Lu also touched on how you still have to find your own style of investing that matches your personality.  He says, "The game of investing is a process of discovering: who you are, what you're interested in, what you're good at, what you love to do, then magnifying that until you gain a sizable edge over all the other people."  He also added that, "The only way to gain an edge is through long and hard work."

On why he doesn't short anymore:  He listed 3 reasons:  "Three things about shorting make it a miserable business. On the long side, you have 100% downside but unlimited upside. On the short side, you have 100% upside and unlimited down-side. I do not like that math. Second, the best short has some element of fraud. However, a fraud can be perpetrated for a longtime. Of course you borrow to short, so they could really just wear you down. That’s why I could be 100% right and bankrupt at the same time. But, you know what, you go bankrupt first! Lastly, it screws up your mind. Shorts just grab your mind and take away from the concentrated effort that is required to do proper long investing."

On how he finds ideas: "Ideas come to me from all sources, principally from reading and talking."  What's interesting is he doesn't really talk to other investors that much.  He's more keen on chatting with people running businesses.

On the importance of management teams: "(They) always have a big influence on your success, no matter how good or how bad the business is itself.  Management is always part of the equation of making the company successful, so the quality of management always matters.  But to assess that quality is not always easy."

On decision making:  "I think you want to avoid wrong decisions as much or more than you want to get it approximately right.  If you avoid the wrong decisions, you'll probably come out okay over time."


The issue also features pitches from Columbia Business School MBA students on: Motors Liquidation Company (MTLQU), Precision Castparts (PCP), Hertz (HTZ), Advance Auto Parts (AAP), Dollar Tree (DLTR), Stanley Black & Decker (SWK), & Yum Brands (YUM).

Embedded below is the Spring 2013 Graham & Doddsville issue:




You can download a .pdf copy here.