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Friday, September 1, 2017

Moody's Self-Reinforcing Ratings Moat: Analysis From Scuttleblurb

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Moody's Self-Reinforcing Ratings Moat

Moody’s is one of the big 3 Nationally Recognized Statistical Rating Organizations (NRSROs), a title bestowed by the SEC on a handful of credit rating agencies, the top 3 of whom act as an oligopoly in the US debt ratings gambit. As you well know, Moody’s (and S&P and Fitch) fell into disrepute during the last financial crisis when ratings on vast swaths of corporate and securitized paper proved worthless, its grossly conflicted issuer-pay model laid plainly bare. But testament to the company’s resilient business model, and toothless fines and regulatory censures notwithstanding, Moody’s Investor Service (“MIS”, the credit rating agency side of the business that constitutes ~2/3 of revenue and ~85% of EBITDA) has thrived since the crisis, compounding revenue and EBITDA by 10% and 15%, respectively, since 2009 and generating more of each vs. the 2007 peak:



Over the last 100+ years since its founding, Moody’s ratings – derived from a consistent framework applied across 11k and 6k corporate and public finance issuers, respectively, in addition to 64k structured finance obligations – have become the veritable benchmark by which market participants, from investors to regulators, peg the credit worthiness of one debt security against another. NRSRO ratings underpin the risk weightings that banks attach to assets to determine capital requirements, dictate which securities a money market fund can own, and, in ostensibly surfacing the credit risk attached to fixed income securities, make it easier for two parties to confidently price and trade, enhancing market liquidity. I was a research nerd in the bond group at Fidelity just prior to and during the crisis. It’s hard to overstate just how tightly Moody’s and S&P (and to a lesser degree, Fitch) ratings were stitched into the fabric of our ratings and compliance infrastructure and the day-to-day workflows of analysts and traders on the floor.

Because of such industry-wide adoption, a debt issuer has little choice but to pay Moody’s for a rating if it hopes to get a fair deal in the market: an issuer of $500mn in 10-year bonds might pay the company 60bps ($3mn) upfront, but will save 30bps in interest expense every year ($15mn over the life of the bond)….and each incremental issuer who pays the toll only further reinforces the Moody’s ratings as the standard upon which to coalesce, fostering still further participation.

This self-feedback loop naturally evolves into a deeply entrenched oligopoly. In terms of total ratings issued, S&P and Moody’s are right at the top of the heap. There are actually 10 NRSROs, but unless you work in credit, you’ve probably never heard of most of them (Egan Jones anyone?)



The government’s determination of NRSRO status is premised on “whether the rating agency is ‘nationally recognized’ in the United States as an issuer of credible and reliable ratings by the predominant users of securities ratings” (per this SEC report), which criteria itself is in part tautologically attributable to the government’s NRSRO designation in the first place. And when things go horribly wrong and these ratings are shown to be the reactive measures that they are, the agencies simply appeal to freedom of speech protection under the First Amendment. This is a really hard business to screw up. Who wants to rock the boat? Certainly not the staid management team at Moody’s, which thrives on 5 year plans, formulaic capital allocation policies, and farcically granular guidance that plays to the myopic expectations of sell-side model tweakers (though I give management props for expensing stock comp in its adjusted profit numbers). You will never see Moody’s carve out an “Other Bets” P&L for new innovations. Day One will always be yesterday.

[If watching Sundar Pichai saunter on stage to fulsome fanboy applause against jubilant theme music from Fitz & The Tantrums provokes reflexive eye-rolling, then do yourself a favor…watch the 2016 Moody’s Investor Day webcast and take refuge in the sterile quietude of a generic albescent conference room where every cough and throat clear is awkwardly amplified against the AV projector’s fan’s sad whir.]

MIS’ 2016 revenue was about 60% transactional (tied to new debt issuance) and 40% “recurring” [per 10K: annual fee arrangements with frequent debt issuers, annual debt monitoring fees and annual fees from commercial paper and medium-term note programs, bank deposit ratings, insurance company financial strength ratings, mutual fund ratings], a mix that has been reasonably stable during the quiescent issuance environment of the last 5-6 years.

Debt issuance in the US, which constitutes nearly 2/3 of MIS revenue, can be choppy from year-to-year….


Source: SIFMA

…but the overall stock of debt has been steadily growing…


Source: SIFMA

…so, as you might expect, MIS’ recurring revenue has served as a reliable anchor during stormy issuance periods.



Still, recurring profits did little to cushion the punishing issuance swoon during the last recession. Revenue from corporate and structured finance bond issuance declined 26% and 53%, respectively, from 2007 to 2008, forcing a ~$575mn revenue decline that translated into a $450mn EBITDA hit.



We don’t know the profit split between transactional and recurring profits (and I don’t even know if such a determination is possible since labor is the biggest component of SG&A and allocating the cost of an analyst’s time between new issuance and maintenance work feels like arbitrary hair splitting). But, I think we can confidently say that non-recurring revenue per dollar of new issuance is way larger than recurring revenue pulled from each par dollar of the rated installed base, and so big swings in transactional revenue have a disproportionate impact on profitability…though, keep in mind that heavy debt issuance in a given period adds to the stock of outstanding debt and thus the monitoring fees earned in future periods.

Given the lofty contribution margins attached to new issuance, the prospect of a reversal has been a source of trepidation for me. Transactional revenue growth has proceeded at a strong, though not torrid, 12% pace over the last 6-7 years as issuers have seized on a stubbornly low rate environment to refinance debt and add leverage to their balance sheets.






Meanwhile, outside a commodity-driven hiccup in 2016, high yield default rates are well below the historic average (which should give you pause if you believe in cycles and mean reversion).




[Aside: the below exhibit, which breaks out the uses of funds from high yield bond and bank loans, is interesting in its own right. In the late 1990s, 20%-25% of companies that raised funds cited internal investment as a reason for doing so vs. just a mid-single/high-single digit percentage today.]




I’m being unhelpfully obvious when I say that credit conditions feel toppy. But even if mean reversion is impending, 2008/2009 seems an inappropriate analog since not only is the catalyst driving systemic financial concerns that loomed so large back then less relevant today, but also a significant chunk of the company’s pre-2008 profits came from its reckless rubber-stamping of toxic asset-backed securities.




Disaggregating MIS’ revenue streams per above, we see that outside of structured finance, the revenue declines were actually not sooo bad during the worst financial crisis in decades, thanks of course to issuance stoked by aggressive rate-deflating monetary policy measures. Structured finance grew from just $384mn in revenue in 2002 to $873mn in 2006 (an 18% CAGR) and was so profitable that even while non-SF revenue grew by 14% in 2009, overall MIS EBITDA still declined as SF revenue contracted by another 25% from 2008’s harrowing 53% decline. I don’t believe MIS has significant revenue streams tied to comparably negligent and profligate underwriting today, and would expect the profit hit from a cyclical correction to be far more muted. Also, due to the surge in 7-10 year paper subsequent to the financial crisis – MIS’ non-structured revenue increased by 17%/yr from 2008 to 2012 – the refinancing needs over the next 4 year period (2017 to 2020) are 30% greater than they were from 2013 to 2016, providing an intermediate tailwind to transactional revenue, though 1h17’s whopping 30% y/y growth in corporate finance revs is clearly testament to some pull-forward of refinancing needs.

Debt issuance cycle aside, companies have been increasingly tapping the capital markets, rather than banks, for their debt funding needs. In Europe, bonds constitute just 23% of non-financial debt [bonds + bank loans] outstanding vs. 52% in the US, with the mix shifting in favor of bonds over at least the last decade.




Management thinks that disintermediation (+2%-3%) plus debt issuance prompted by global GDP growth (+2%-3%) plus pricing (+3%-4%) should sum up to around ~high-single/low double digit revenue growth through the debt cycle, which sounds reasonable to me and is consistent with the 9% revenue CAGR MIS has realized since 2011.

And on top of that, there’s another 2%-3% contribution from Moody’s Analytics, MCO’s less good business segment that offers a range of risk management, research, and data products and services, and constitutes about 1/3 of revenue and 16% of EBITDA (corporate overhead is already allocated to business segments). Almost all of the ~$1bn that the company has spent on acquisitions (out of cumulative free cash flow of ~$8bn) over the last decade through 1q17 has gone towards bolstering MA, mostly small tuck-ins.

Then on May 15, 2017, management announced the €3bn acquisition of Bureau van Dijk. Moody’s is spending 3x more on this one acquisition than it has on the sum of all previous acquisitions over the last decade. BvD is an Amsterdam-based company that aggregates data on 220mn private companies across a wide range of geographies and industries and makes it available in hygienic, organized form to 6k corporate and government customers. This acquisition will be “tucked into” RD&A [In 2016, about 54% of MA’s revenue came from “Research, Data, and Analytics,” which is really just an extension of MIS insofar as it realizes revenue by selling research and data (analysis on debt issuers, economic commentary, quantitative risk scores, etc.) generated in MIS. The quality of RD&A mirrors that of the ratings segment, with 95% retention rates driving hsd revenue growth (90% organic) from hsd pricing and volume since 2011], boosting its revenue by ~43% (and contributing ~8% to MCO’s total revenue).

BvD does not own the data, but rather licenses it from 160mn obscure data providers in various jurisdictions before “cleansing” and standardizing it for subscribers who use it to, for instance, better assess credit risk, conduct M&A due diligence, set transfer pricing reporting policies and docs for multinationals, and identify potential B2B sales leads. Management claims that this business benefits from network effects, by which I assume they mean that the license fees BvD pays to suppliers are pegged to the number of users of that data and so more users compel more suppliers to make their data available to BvD, which in turn draws more users. Going off the high-level historical financials provided by Moody’s, BvD has performed like a truly kick-ass asset, with revenue expanding at a steady 9% CAGR (all organic) over the last decade, growing every year right through the recession, and EBITDA margins expanding from 39% in 2006 to 51% in 2016.

But great assets go for great prices. MCO is paying a lofty 12x revenue and 23x EBITDA at a time when its own stock traded at “just” ~14x at the time of announcement. €3bn is triple what private equity firm EQT paid for BvD less than 3 years ago. One might argue that if we extrapolate the last decade’s 12% annual EBITDA growth out 5 years (which might actually be reasonable given the seemingly predictable, consistent nature of the business) and apply estimated out-year synergies ($40mn revenue / $40mn costs), we’re looking at €295mn in 2021 EBITDA, which puts the multiple at ~10x, but even management concedes that it is reaching on valuation and falling short of their typical 10% cash yield target on this one.

The revenue synergies seem fairly modest (14% of revenue, 5 years out) and sensible on the surface. For various reasons BvD has found it difficult to break into the US market (unlike regions outside the US, financial data on private companies in the US is sparse…plus, BvD who?) and still derives 3/4 of its revenue from Europe. Moody’s can bundle BvD’s datasets into MA’s analytics products and sell a more robust bundle to its US customer base. [Notably, MA already feeds BvD’s data into the loan origination solution it sells to financial institution clients and some MA customers already use BvD data to drive their credit models] and cross-sell MA products into BvD’s customer base. Finally, BvD’s dataset on smaller, private companies gives MIS the opportunity to provide credit ratings to the underserved SME market, though this seems like a more distant aim.

[Here’s a high-level summary of Moody’s business mix post-BvD; MA gets a nice margin lift and its EBITDA increases from ~17% of consolidated to nearly 1/4.]



Still, most of management’s justifications – the acquisition reduces the volatility of the ratings business, is accretive to per share earnings, accelerates growth forecasts, gets the company access to new revenue opportunities like transfer pricing and tax planning that have little to do with the core ratings business – have jack to do with value creation and reek of generic Wall Street pandering. And while BvD’s business seems good enough on its own merits that I don’t think the acquisition will be grossly value destructive, it’s tough to credibly claim that much incremental value has been added at this lofty purchase multiple.

Outside of RD&A, there are two other business lines: 1) Enterprise Risk Solutions (11% of post-BvD revenue; risk management software and services…basically, financial institutions use Moody’s tools to create credit, market, and operational risk tables and make them available to their regulators; has grown revenue by ~11% organically over the last 8 years) and 2) Professional Services (4% of post-BvD revenue; financial training and certification, mid-single digit organic revenue growth since 2008….seems like a pretty mediocre business, but one which management insists is an important entry point to the customer).

Taken as a whole, Moody’s Analytics is just “meh” compared to other data and analytics peers, in my opinion. Great analytics businesses tend to have self-reinforcing data feedback loops, which are not very relevant to MA.

[Here is what I wrote about Verisk Analytics (VRSK): The company sits at the center of a network that procures data from a wide variety of sources on one side (claims settlements, remote imagery, auto OEMs, name your buzz word – smart cars, smart watches, smart cities) analyzes it, and spits out predictive risk and customer insights to their clients on the other (insurers, advertisers, property managers). The agreements through which a customer licenses VRSK’s data also allows the company to make use of that customer’s data, so essentially the customer pays Verisk for a solution that costs almost nothing for the company to deliver and Verisk gets to use that customer’s data to bolster the appeal of its own products, which improved solutions reduce churn and attract even more customers (and their data) in a subsidized feedback loop.]

Its solutions seem more akin to templated reporting and risk management to sate regulatory requirements than data-fueled machine learning algorithms to drive business outcomes. Management continuously talks about realizing synergies from tuck-ins and driving operating leverage, but the fact of the matter is that MA margins have gone nowhere for years and I think it’s fair to say that this side of the company has disappointed expectations.

So, stepping back…nearly 80% of MCO’s pro-forma EBITDA comes from a ratings business that has long established itself as the de facto credit risk benchmark, relied upon by all significant players in the fixed income ecosystem. But while MIS is a structurally advantaged business that will continue heaping value over time, because 60% of MIS is high-margin transactional revenue tied to new issuance, it is also unavoidably cyclical, and conditions today seem about as good as they will get. Through the cycle, MIS is a steady high-single digit revenue / low-double-digit EBITDA grower generating prodigious free cash flow (30% of revenue converts to free cash flow). Most of it will be mechanically dedicated to buybacks and dividends, which is probably just as well since its tuck-in acquisitions have had little to show, and I suspect the same will be true of BvD. At $134, the stock trades at 18x/23x my estimate of pro-forma LTM EBITDA/cash EPS. The EBITDA multiple is about as high as it has been in decades (matched only in late 2005/early 2006) on what in retrospect will likely turn out to be cyclically peak earnings. Moody’s is a great business and is priced accordingly, though with a long enough time frame, a buyer will probably do just fine even at the current valuation.


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Wednesday, April 5, 2017

Chuck Akre's Talk at Google: Three-Legged Stool Investment Construct

Chuck Akre of Akre Capital Management recently had a talk at Google about investing entitled "The Peregrinations of an English Major Trying to Solve the Investment Puzzle."

If you're unfamiliar with Akre, he focuses on finding long-term compounders and runs a somewhat concentrated portfolio.  Here's notes from his talk:


Chuck Akre's Talk at Google

- Reads voraciously to this day.  Cited one of the very first books he liked: The Money Masters.  Also noted that 100:1 in the Stock Market is the book he took the idea of compounding from.  Said he read The Intelligent Investor as well as business biographies.

- What makes a great investment?  "Rate of return is the bottom line of all investing."

- Looks at free cashflow return and focuses on valuation as the key to compounding; buy it right.

- How do they identify investments that will generate above average returns?  "We like to fish in the pond of high return businesses."  Asks: what kind of returns on capital?  What are the net margins?  Thinks an 'average' business returns high single digits.  Cites Mastercard (MA) and Visa (V) with 30% margins.  "What is it about the essence of that business that allows them to earn returns that cause them to have a big bullseye on their back?"

- Three-legged stool:  Their investment construct that lets them think in simple terms.  First leg is the quality of a business: a high return business.  Second leg is operations: want management to have skill and integrity (a demonstrated record) and treat investors as partners.  Third leg is reinvestment: would love the company to put cash back into the business if there's great opportunity.  Cited the book Dear Chairman (which we've reviewed here).

- "I have never been able to learn from other people's mistakes.  I have to make my own."

- Wants to be an investor in a business rather than a speculator in shares.

- His goal is to compound capital at an above average rate while incurring a below average level of risk.  Volatility is only a risk in the short run.

- Akre's separately managed accounts over 27 years have compounded at 12.7% versus S&P at 9.4%.  Also has a partnership that's done 15.25% versus S&P 9.2% and mutual funds that have done 13.2% annual.

- Mastercard: originally purchased in 2010 at around $22 with regulatory worries around Durbin amendment.  Business has fantastic returns, had a low valuation (13-14x at the time).  "Their returns are so high they can't possibly find a place to reinvest their money, so our compounding is diminished modestly because of that."

- Moody's (MCO): Bought in January 2012 at $39.  Any company that wants debt has to get a rating on it and it's basically an oligopoly: MCO, S&P (SPGI), and Fitch.

- Enstar (ESGR): Been involved for 10 years.  They buy insurance that's in run-off.  Paid 3 times book when he bought shares. 

- Quotes Einstein: "You should make everything simple as possible but no simpler."  "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we use to create them."  "The only source of knowledge is experience."  "Imagination is more important than knowledge."  That last quote is what's on the front of Akre's book:

- Two of his best investments (100 baggers): Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A) and American Tower (AMT).  "Most of the time you can buy these businesses at reasonable valuations... sometimes you can buy them at a steal."

- On selling: "The most difficult thing to do in our business is not sell, if you're a long-term investor."

- Bought Visa (V) because they have concentration limits in their funds and were bumping into that with their stake in MA.  Did the same with SBA Communications (SBAC) as it relates to their AMT position.  Gaining more exposure to the themes via competitors since individual position limits kicked in.

Embedded below is video of Chuck Akre's talk at Google:



We've covered many other investor talks at Google, including:

- Howard Marks' talk at Google

- Michael Mauboussin's talk at Google

- Jim Grant's talk at Google


Wednesday, March 16, 2016

What We're Reading ~ 3/16/2016


Dear Chairman: Boardroom Battles and the Rise of Shareholder Activism [Jeff Gramm]

Two powerful mental models: network effects and critical mass [Andreessen Horowitz]

How to be wrong as an investor [A Wealth of Common Sense]

A look at the concept of moats in investing [Intrinsic Investing]

The great race: e-commerce in India [The Economist]

A look inside Google's DeepMind [The Verge]

Amazon's Echo brims with groundbreaking promise [NYTimes]

In-depth analysis of Moody's (MCO) [Value Seeker]

A look at Visa & Mastercard [JanaV]

American Express, Synchrony Financial & the changing credit card landscape [PunchCard]

Amex: cheap blue chip or value trap? [Value & Opportunity]

How credit cards tax America [Priceonomics]

After TV: Video's future will be bigger, more diverse & precarious than its past [Redef]

John Malone 'cable cowboy' faces test in rounding up the right mix of assets [Variety]

The television has a business model problem and it's killing good TV [Redef]

The craft beer bubble [VinePair]

The rise and final hours of Chesapeake's Aubrey McClendon [Bloomberg]


Wednesday, July 1, 2015

What We're Reading ~ 7/1/15


Misbehaving: The Making of Behavioral Economics [Richard Thaler]

Investing is emotional [Reformed Broker]

On 'do something' syndrome [Farnam Street]

Four things the stock market has taught me [Morgan Housel]

An updated sum of the parts analysis on IAC Interactive [MicroFundy]

Railroads' competitive advantages are solid, but challenges lie ahead [Morningstar]

A brief look at Moody's (MCO) [Jnvestor]

How Fanuc quietly took over the world [Nikkei Asian Review]

Macau builds, but gamblers don't come [WSJ]

It's 1929 in China - here's a look at the recent mania [David Stockman]

A partnership with China to avoid world war [George Soros]

For American pundits, China isn't a country. It's a fantasyland [Washington Post]

Western firms caught off guard as Chinese shoppers flock to web [WSJ]

US short sellers betting on Canadian housing crash [National Post]

Persuasion depends mostly on audience [HBR]

Is this the office of the future? A look at WeWork [Bloomberg]


Tuesday, May 6, 2014

Chris Shumway: Short CNH, Long Moody's (Sohn Conference Presentation)

We're posting up notes from the Sohn Investment Conference in New York, produced in partnership with Bloomberg LINK.  Next up is Chris Shumway of Shumway Capital.  He pitched shorting the deliverable forward version of Chinese currency (CNH) and also pitched Moody's (MCO) as a long.


Chris Shumway's Sohn Conference Presentation

Shumway: Was at Tiger until 2002.  Grew funds to $8B, CAGR of 17%.  Now runs his own investments and seeds new funds.  First time speaker. Returned outside money in 2011, time horizon has extended - now does some private investments.

His macro views:  his main concern is if the global economy got going too quickly, inflation could take off which would choke off the whole cycle.  China deflation was good, because it meant the economy could grow, disinflationary for a long time.  Now "it feels a little bit strange out there."  Especially the damage to the growth stocks which have gotten crushed on no short-term valuation support.

Three big areas of concern now:   

1. The Fed.  Yellen dashed hopes of "considerable time" to making it 6 months before taper happens quickly.   

2. Russia.  Putin.  Risks are real.  A big risk, that is mispriced.   

3. China. China growth is slowing. Massive excess credit growth, 11% more than GDP.  Over time, it should be the same.  This is unsustainable.  Non-performing loans have skyrocketed.  Shadow banking is 44% of credit growth.  Much of the projects have no return.


IDEA 1:  Short the CNH. (deliverable forward version of Chinese currency.) Tracks the CNY with very little variation.  They have limited stimulus options left, and they all lead to more non-performing loans. Says GDP is growing 6% and decelerating, not the 7% stated.  Simplest way to fix this is currency devaluation.  Did this in 1994, from 5.5 to 9 CNY to the dollar.


IDEA 2: Moody's.  MCO. Long term after tax returns.  Ratings agency, and Investors Services.  A great business, straightforward story. Global duopoly, with third player Fitch.  Unrated debt costs you 150 bps in yield, costs only 5 bps to get rated.  81% ROE over last 10 years. Moodys covers 95% of the companies, S&Ps covers 92%, Fitch does 50%.

Key: "It's a Bloomberg-like business."  Huge cost to have all the data, and they have it.   Corporate EBITDA growth grows at GDP,4%, pricing 4-6% per year. Europe adds 2-3%.  Get 10-13% revenue grower, with 100bps operating margin expansion.  Gets you operating income growth of 14-17%, 5% buyback, plus dividend gets 19-22% total return. Bear case:     1. Litigation.  6 years since Lehman crisis and still no lawsuit. (S&P had it)     2. Revenue growth rate is decelerating due to tougher comps.   Price target is $143 base, $171 upside.


Be sure to check out the rest of the presentations from the 2014 Sohn Investment Conference.


Thursday, October 31, 2013

Great Investors' Best Ideas Conference Notes 2013: Price, Akre, Gabelli, Pickens, Russo & More

Below are some brief notes from the 7th annual Great Investors' Best Ideas Conference in Dallas benefiting the Michael J. Fox Foundation for Parkinson's Research and the Vickery Meadow Youth Development Foundation.


Notes From Great Investors' Best Ideas Conference


Michael Price (MFP Investors): He pitched three ideas:  long Hospira (HSP), long Songbird Estates (SBD.LN) and long Dolby Labs (DLB).  HSP has seen value guys buying it, transitioning away from growth investors as the investor base changes.  The company has good free cash flow and he thinks the stock can hit $60.  His thesis on Songbird is a discount to NAV story (around 30%).  Dolby (DLB) has a ton of cash and no debt with huge royalty streams (80% of revenue).  As tablets and PCs continue to grow, they'll make money.


Chuck Akre (Akre Capital Management):  His picks were Moody's (MCO) which he likes due to its oligopoly position, solid return on equity and pricing power,  as well as O'Reilly (ORLY), the auto parts supplier which recently bought CSK Auto and the integration has gone well and now they're buying back shares.  His presentation also focused on how you should stick with your circle of competence and acknowledge when you're unsure of things. Focus on 3 things in a business:  growth of capital (high ROIC), good management, and solid reinvestment (how they used past FCF).  The price you pay is very important.


T. Boone Pickens (BP Capital):  He pitched Diamondback Energy (FANG) which he likes for its growth potential, no debt and a lot of cash.  He also likes Basic Energy Services (BAS) as excess capacity has been taken out.  He also touched on his picks from last year: National Oilwell Varco (NOV) which he still likes, as well as Pioneer Resources (PXD), almost a double and he likes the Permian basin acres (continues to like this stock as well).


Karen Finerman (Metropolitan Capital Advisors):  She pitched North Atlantic Drilling (NADL.NS) traded in Norway which was a spin-off from Seadrill (SDRL).  The spread between non-Norway rates and Norway rates is very big and many contracts already locked in.  She likes the cheap valuation, big dividend (potential for it to grow), says there's limited downside due to the backlog. There's also a catalyst with an IPO coming for a US listing and it won't be too dilutive. 


Tom Russo (Gardner, Russo & Garnder):  He pitched Nestle (NSRGY) and Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A/B).  It seems like Russo always pitches Nestle when he speaks somewhere.  He's a global value investor and is looking for companies like See's Candies and invests for the long-term.  They have a lot of European companies in their portfolio and like market volatility as it provides opportunities to long-term investors.  The last major portfolio buys they made were AB Imbev (BUD) and Mastercard (MA) 3 years ago.


Mario Gabelli (Gabelli Funds):  He presented Cablevision (CVC) as a potential buyout candidate with John Malone (and Charter Communications) active and pushing for consolidation.  Will the Dolans sell CVC?  Argues that the company is worth up to $23 in a buyout, versus current levels of around $16.


Caroline Cooley (Crestline Investors):  She's focused on event-driven plays.  She specifically mentioned Macquarie Infrastructure (MIC) which is involved with infrastructure building, has a nice yield and could see it head higher.  It's undervalued because it cut the dividend in '09 and has limited sell-side following. says this story is probably in the middle innings.


Tom Gayner (Markel):  He pitched General Electric (GE).  He pitched the same stock at GIBI in 2007 when it was $40 and now the stock's at $25.  They still own shares and now have a $23 cost basis.


For more conference notes, we also posted up notes from Invest For Kids Chicago (Lasry, Eisman, Cooperman).


Friday, August 30, 2013

Stock Pick Performance From Value Investing Congress Speakers Presenting at September's Event

The Value Investing Congress is only a few weeks away and will take place on September 16th & 17th in New York.  MarketFolly readers can receive discounted admission by clicking here and using code: N13MF7  This code expires tonight so be sure to take advantage.


Performance of Last Year's Picks From Speakers

We thought we'd check in on the performance of the stock picks from last year's Value Investing Congress.  These picks are from speakers who presented last year that will also be presenting again this year.

Here's the performance breakdown from October 3rd, 2012 until August 29th, 2013:

- 17 out of 21 picks outperformed the S&P 500

- Average performance of picks: +49%

- Performance of S&P 500 over same time frame: +13.3%


Jeff Ubben's Picks
Long Valeant Pharmaceuticals (VRX) +77.1%
Long Moody's (MCO): +44.2%
Long CBRE (CBG): +14.3%
Long Motorola Solutions (MSI): +11.7%

He also mentioned these names: Halliburton (HAL): +42.5%, Adobe (ADBE) +41%, & C.R. Bard (BCR): +9.8%


Mick McGuire's Picks
Long Gencorp (GY): +50.5% 
Long Brookfield Residential Properties (BRP): +39.6%

Long Alexander & Baldwin (ALEX): +28.7%


Alex Roepers' Picks
Long Rockwood Holdings (ROC): +34.9%
Long Energizer (ENR): +34%
Long Clariant (CLN VX): +33.9%
Long FLSmidth (FLS DC): -5.7%
Long Joy Global (JOY): -45.1%


Whitney Tilson's Picks
Long Netflix (NFLX): +409.8%
Long Howard Hughes (HHC): +46%
Long Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A): +26.1%


Guy Gottfried's Picks
Long Canam Group (TSE:CAM): +81.2%
Long ClubLink Enterprises (TSE:CLK): +19.1%


Bob Robotti's Picks
Long Calfrac Well Services (TSE:CFW): +34.8%


As you can see, these managers' picks performed quite well on average.  And don't forget: each one of them will be presenting their new picks at this year's event in a few weeks along with plenty of other new speakers (full list of speakers here).


Hear Ubben, McGuire, Roepers & More Pitch Their Latest Ideas

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Tuesday, May 7, 2013

Berkshire Hathaway Slightly Reduces Tesco Position, Sells More Moody's

Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway has been active in selling shares of some positions recently.  The latest news is that Berkshire seems to have very slightly reduced their position in UK's Tesco.


Tesco Position Reduced

Berkshire has reported ownership of 4.98% of Tesco ordinary shares as of May 3rd, 2013.  This is down from their previous 5.08% ownership with back in January of 2012.

This is a very small reduction, but since everyone loves tracking Buffett's every move, we thought this should at least be mentioned.

It's also worth noting that this looks to be caused completely by a reduction in the size of their cash settled equity swaps on the name.  They show a 1.79% position now and at the beginning of 2012 it was 1.87%.


Moody's Reduced Again

We highlighted last week how Buffett sold some Moody's shares and Berkshire just filed another Form 4 with the SEC reporting even more sales.

Due to trading on May 2nd and 3rd, Berkshire has sold 1,375,011 MCO shares at weighted average prices ranging from $60.496 to $63.4212.  After this latest batch of sales, Buffett still owns 25,293,539 shares of Moody's.

For more from this legendary investor, head to Buffett's latest book recommendations.


Thursday, May 2, 2013

Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Sells Some Moody's Shares

It's been a while since Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway has filed a Form 4 with the SEC on a stock other than Davita (DVA).  And while they've been buying DVA shares, today we see that Berkshire has been selling Moody's (MCO) shares.

In a Form 4 with the SEC, Berkshire has disclosed portfolio activity on April 29th, 30th, and May 1st.  All told, Buffett sold 1,746,700 shares with the majority coming at weighted average prices ranging from $59.9348 to $60.7241.

After these sales, Berkshire still owns 26,668,550 shares of MCO, so these transactions are just a drop in the overall bucket.  That said, it's still worth pointing out that Buffett trimmed his MCO stake numerous times in 2010.  What's interesting is that in 2010, MCO shares were trading for half the amount they are now.

It's also worth mentioning that ValueAct Capital's Jeff Ubben presented Moody's as an investment idea late last year at the Invest For Kids Chicago event.

Per Google Finance, Moody's is "a provider of credit ratings; credit and economic related research, data and analytical tools; risk management software, and quantitative credit risk measures, credit portfolio management solutions and training services." 

For more on the Oracle from Omaha, head to new book recommendations from Warren Buffett.


Thursday, November 8, 2012

Jeff Ubben's Presentation on Moody's & CBRE Group: Invest For Kids Chicago

Next up in our notes from Invest For Kids Chicago is Jeff Ubben of ValueAct Capital.  He presented two ideas: Moody's (MCO) and CBRE Group (CBG).

•    Describes firm’s style as “strategic block investing” 
•    Expert is someone who has made & learned from many mistakes 
•    ValueAct looks for 12 companies that can flourish 
•    Join a board about half the time usually a couple years into the investment 
•    Motorola Solutions (MSI) = top holding 
•    ValueAct looks for companies with small cost of customers product but are valuable inputs 
•    Don't like traditional financials as its hard to analyze banks 
 

Ubben on Moody's

•   Moody's: Investment is in the 5th inning  and is a 9% position for ValueAct (they run a concentrated portfolio) 
•    Maintenance fees are 60% of revenue and is very critical 
•    Moody’s rating are a de minims cost of debt 
•    Transaction revenues provide huge growth potential 
•    European growth in credit markets as banks fall away as source of funds is highly probable 


Ubben on CBRE Group

•    CBRE Group (CBG): Investment is in the 2nd  inning 
•    Scale & cross sales 
•    Real estate is the last bastion of outsourcing as companies have already done HR etc. 
•    CBRE essentially now a partner to companies instead of a broker 
•    Scrapping bottom of property sales 
•    "Ridiculously cheap cyclical" with tons of transaction volume coming (2/3rds of commercial wave expected to trade hands with 1/3rd refinancing) 

Jeff Ubben also pitched MCO & CBG and other stocks at the Value Investing Congress if you want more color.


For the rest of the hedge fund presentations from the event, check out our notes from Invest For Kids Chicago.


Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Jeff Ubben's Favorite Investment Ideas: Value Investing Congress

Continuing coverage, we're posting up notes from the Value Investing Congress.  Below are notes and the presentation of Jeff Ubben of ValueAct Capital, which manages around $8.5 billion.  His presentation was entitled 'Avoiding Complexity and VAC Circle of Life.'

Ubben's Stock Ideas

CB Richard Ellis (CBG):  Dominant market share, 50% recurring revenue, does real estate leasing.  Ubben pointed out that outsourcing is in the first innings and that the company is one of only 2 that can scale it.

Moody's (MCO):  He doesn't like traditional financials, hard to value assets, or retailers.  Yet he likes MCO.  Says high moat and limited competition, pricing power.  55% recurring revenue and a big M&A cycle coming.  Then he showed slides from the company's pitch book (Einhorn disparaged MCO earlier in the day).  Ubben said MCO is "schmuck insurance" and at the end of the day their ratings are a currency.  We previously detailed when Ubben went activist on MCO back in 2011.

Valiant Pharmaceuticals (VRX):  A branded generics play.  We recently posted up why Ruane Cunniff & Weitz Funds like VRX.

Motorola Solutions (MSI):  This is his biggest position.  He says the big thing here is to drive the payout ratio.  It's going slow and steady but he thinks there's an opportunity for them to actively help the company. 


Other stocks he mentioned:

Adobe (ADBE)

CR Bard (BCR)

Sara Lee

Halliburton (HAL)



Learning From His Mistakes:

1. Valuation.  Just math, require 10% per year.
2. Leverage.  Make sure it's appropriate for the cyclicality of the business.
3. Bad Governance.  Don't go looking for a problem to fix.
4. Complexity.  Need easily identifiable drivers.  Simpler, the better.

For more from this hedge fund manager, we've posted up Ubben on activist value investing.


Embedded below is Ubben's slideshow presentation from the Value Investing Congress: 





Check out the rest of the hedge fund presentations from the Value Investing Congress.


Thursday, July 21, 2011

ValueAct Capital Goes Activist on Moody's (MCO), Buys More Motorola Solutions (MSI)

Jeff Ubben's ValueAct Capital has been quite active recently as evidenced by two 13D filings submitted to the SEC. As Ubben has explained in a previous interview, his fund employs an activist value investing strategy.

Going Activist on Moody's (MCO)

First, ValueAct has gone activist on Moody's (MCO) according to a 13D just filed. Per the filing, we learn that ValueAct has a 6.1% ownership stake in MCO with 13,866,970 shares.

At the end of the first quarter they only owned 8.2 million shares. The hedge fund firm has purchased over 5.5 million shares over the past 3 months, increasing their position size by over 67%. ValueAct were buying as recently as July 12th through 19th, adding at prices between $35-37, right where shares currently trade.

While Ubben's firm has filed a 13D signifying their activist intent with the position, the filing contains standard boilerplate about monitoring their investment and does not lay out any specific plans.

Moody's stock is interesting mainly because you have prominent investors on both sides of the table. Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway owns a significant stake in MCO but was selling some shares last year.

David Einhorn's Greenlight Capital, on the other hand, has been short MCO and laid out their short thesis here. With ValueAct now coming to the table, it's clear they intend to apply their trademark activist style. We'll see what happens.


Buying More Motorola Solutions (MSI)

Ubben's hedge fund also just filed an amended 13D with the SEC regarding shares of Motorola Solutions (MSI). They now show a 7.0% ownership stake in MSI with 23,601,000 shares.

ValueAct recently purchased over $161 million worth of MSI shares, buying in late June and early July at prices ranging from $43.95 to $45.50 per share.

As we outlined in Ubben's previous pitch on MSI, ValueAct likes Motorola Solutions due to its improving margins and the fact that it is still growing despite a downcycle. MSI came to be as a result of Motorola splitting into two separately traded entities: MSI and Motorola Mobility (MMI).


For more on ValueAct Capital, head to Ubben's interview about his fund.


Tuesday, November 30, 2010

David Einhorn Talks Gold, Apple (AAPL), Pfizer (PFE), CareFusion (CFN), St. Joe (JOE) & Moody's (MCO)

David Einhorn, manager of hedge fund Greenlight Capital, recently sat down for a rare interview with Consuelo Mack on WealthTrack. The interview encompasses topics ranging from quantitative easing 2, his worries about the financial system, as well as many of his current positions including gold, Pfizer (PFE), Apple (AAPL), CareFusion (CFN) and his shorts of St. Joe (JOE) and Moody's (MCO). Einhorn has returned 22% annualized so it's always worth paying attention to what he has to say.

CareFusion (CFN)

We'll first start with a position that Einhorn hasn't talked much about previously: CareFusion (CFN). This medical device maker was spun-off from Cardinal Health (CAH) and is essentially a mix of various high multiple, high growth, high margin businesses. CFN has an infusion business which Einhorn thinks will benefit due to a competitor (Baxter ~ BAX) having to recall equipment. The Greenlight manager likes that CFN has an opportunity to take market share and a year later receive recurring revenue.

Einhorn says that, "so we think there's an opportunity here for them to expand their revenues, to expand their margins, obviously expand their earnings, and we don't believe that this has been fully adopted by Wall Street, which is very focused on medical devices and health care reform, and all the problems that go within that sector." Interestingly enough, we published an in-depth research report on CareFusion in our new issue of Hedge Fund Wisdom for those of you interested in the full investment thesis.

Apple (AAPL)

Another new position for Einhorn is Apple and we wanted to highlight his comments since he's only briefly mentioned it in a past investor letter. He's admired the company for a while, but has always had a hard time grasping the valuation. Over the summer when shares dipped (he purchased around $248 per share), he was comfortable with the value and pulled the trigger. Overall, he likes the company's growth profile as it has a multiple in the low teens and is unlevered.

Of his AAPL position Einhorn says, "Looking at Apple today, the stock is about $310, or $320 a share. There's about $45 a share in cash. So you're paying about $265 for the business. I think they're going to earn well over $20 a share in the next year, so you're looking at a PE net of the cash in the low teens, which is below a market multiple."

Pfizer (PFE)

This has been a longstanding position for Greenlight Capital so it's always intriguing to re-visit his thesis on this name. He highlights that everyone knows PFE's main issue is that its biggest drug, Lipitor, is coming off of patent. Einhorn feels that after this event the company will still see a lot of earnings. He feels that the company will be able to "sort of cost cut themselves to maintain the profitability that they're promising people, and then when people see that there's still more than two dollars a share of earnings, even without patented Lipitor driving the results, I think there'll be an opportunity for the multiple to improve on those earnings."

St. Joe (JOE)

And lastly, Einhorn revisits his short of St. Joe (JOE). Readers will recall that Einhorn laid out the bear case for JOE at the Value Investing Congress that sent shares spiraling downward. This has been an interesting saga mainly because another guru we track on the site, Bruce Berkowitz of Fairholme Capital, has taken the other side of the trade and is long JOE in size. Einhorn feels that the company trades well above the value of its land.

Embedded below is the video of David Einhorn's entire WealthTrack interview with Consuelo Mack (RSS & email readers will need to come to the site to watch it):



Interesting thoughts from Einhorn all around and it's good to hear elaborations on the theses of some of his investments. You can see what else Einhorn is investing in via our Hedge Fund Wisdom newsletter (new issue just released!) And for more thoughts from this talented hedge fund manager, check out his book: Fooling Some of the People All of the Time.


Friday, October 22, 2010

Berkshire Hathaway Trims Moody's (MCO) Stake... Again

In what has seemingly become a regular occurrence for Berkshire Hathaway in the month of October, we see that Warren Buffett's company has again sold shares of Moody's (MCO). Per a Form 4 filed with the SEC, Berkshire Hathaway has disclosed the sale of 88,360 shares at weighted price averages of $26.7148 and $27.3297 on October 19th and 21st, respectively.

After these sales, Buffett still owns 28,415,250 shares of MCO, still a sizable stake. As we've detailed in Berkshire's other recent sales, they are willing to share MCO for a price north of $25 per share (and especially north of $27). For more on the Oracle of Omaha, we recently posted about Buffett's worst trade and biggest mistake.

Taken from Google Finance, Moody's is "a provider of credit ratings; credit and economic related research, data and analytical tools; risk management software, and quantitative credit risk measures, credit portfolio management solutions and training services."

To learn from the investing legend himself, head to Warren Buffett's words of wisdom.


Friday, October 15, 2010

Berkshire Hathaway Reduces Position Moody's (MCO)

Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway has sold shares of Moody's (MCO) again according to a Form 4 just filed with the SEC. On October 12th and 13th, Berkshire Hathaway sold 370,146 shares of Moody's (MCO) at prices ranging from $27.40 to $28.00.

After the sales, Berkshire is left with 28,503,610 shares of MCO, still a very sizable position. This is the third subsequent sale of MCO by Buffett's organization and we've pointed out the trend for Berkshire to sell MCO anytime shares trade north of $25. The majority of Berkshire's Moody's position is held by their subsidiary, GEICO.

For more of our coverage on the Oracle of Omaha, we've highlighted Buffett on the topic of success as well as words of wisdom from Warren Buffett.

Taken from Google Finance, Moody's is "a provider of credit ratings; credit and economic related research, data and analytical tools; risk management software, and quantitative credit risk measures, credit portfolio management solutions and training services."


Thursday, September 23, 2010

Berkshire Hathaway Sells Moody's (MCO) Again

Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway has sold shares of Moody's (MCO) for the second consecutive time in a week. Per a Form 4 filed with the SEC, Berkshire Hathaway sold 560,000 shares of MCO at an average price of $25.725 on September 20th. This comes right after Buffett sold Moody's last week. After the cumulative sales, Buffett is now left with 28,873,326 shares of the company.

As we detailed last week, it's very evident that any price over $25 is a price Buffett is willing to part with some of his shares. Keep in mind though that he still has a massive position, with over 28 million shares remaining. He has been patient with his sales and many months ago has demonstrated his willingness to sell MCO at around $25-30 per share.

On the other side of the coin, we've also cataloged how David Einhorn's hedge fund Greenlight Capital has been short Moody's. You can view his original thesis here: The Curse of the Triple A.

Taken from Google Finance, Moody's is "a provider of credit ratings; credit and economic related research, data and analytical tools; risk management software, and quantitative credit risk measures, credit portfolio management solutions and training services."

To learn how to invest like the legend himself, head to Warren Buffett's favorite investing books.


Wednesday, September 15, 2010

Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Sells More Moody's (MCO)

Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway just recently sold shares of Moody's (MCO). Per a Form 4 filed with the SEC, we see that Berkshire sold 1,350,550 total shares at prices ranging from $25.1006 to $25.193 on September 10th, 13th, and 14th. After their sales, Berkshire was left holding 29,433,326 shares of MCO.

Buffett's company has sold Moody's shares numerous times this year. And as we've previously pointed out, it seems that Buffett and company are keen to sell MCO shares anytime they reach $25 per share or higher. In terms of other portfolio activity from the Oracle of Omaha, we saw in July that Buffett bought more Tesco. To view a complete summary of Buffett's latest investments as well as the portfolios of prominent hedge fund managers, head to our brand new publication: hedge fund wisdom by market folly.

Taken from Google Finance, Moody's is "a provider of credit ratings; credit and economic related research, data and analytical tools; risk management software, and quantitative credit risk measures, credit portfolio management solutions and training services."

To learn how to invest like the legend himself, head to Warren Buffett's recommended reading list.


Friday, July 23, 2010

David Einhorn & Greenlight Capital: Long Apple, Ensco, NCR (Q2 Letter)

Dealbreaker posted up hedge fund Greenlight Capital's second quarter 2010 letter and we wanted to highlight the latest portfolio moves from David Einhorn's camp. Year to date for 2010, Greenlight's funds are up 1.6%, 2.2% and 0.8% respectively. Some of their portfolio gains as of late can be attributed to their long position in physical gold as well as their short of Moody's (MCO). It sounds as though Greenlight will maintain this short position as well, writing "we believe that an eventual, but likely, legal loss will have a significant impact on MCO shares."

While David Einhorn will be presenting investment ideas in October at the upcoming Value Investing Congress (special discount here), we still get an intermediate update on his current portfolio. The main talking point in the hedge fund's letter is their revelation of various new positions. Firstly, they revealed they are long Apple (AAPL) at an average purchase price of $248.09 per share. Greenlight highlights the company's more than $40 per share in cash and thinks that while growth in the next few years will be slower than recent times, the company still has not fully penetrated its various markets. We've highlighted numerous times how AAPL is one of the most popular hedge fund holdings.

Secondly, Greenlight took a new position in African Barrick Gold (LON: ABG). They like that it trades "at less than 6x 2010 EBITDA, a 10% free cash flow yield and $200 per ounce of reserves." Einhorn previously talked about this new stake in his Ira Sohn Investment Conference presentation.

Thirdly, Einhorn touches on their new stake in Ensco plc (ESV). While we revealed Greenlight's ESV stake last week, we now get some color on their thesis. They point out the company's $7 per share in net cash and tangible book value of $37.50. They feel shares of ESV were unjustly sold off as it was not involved in the oil spill and the drilling moratorium should not affect the company's long-term potential. Greenlight's average purchase price of Ensco was $39.41.

Lastly, Greenlight Capital purchased a stake in NCR (NCR) in the second quarter as the stock sold off due to accounting losses on pension obligations, among other reasons. Einhorn points to NCR's strong cash flow generating business and strong net cash balance sheet position. Greenlight purchased NCR at $13.58 per share and MarketFolly actually revealed this stake back in May when Greenlight acquired it.

In terms of positions the hedge fund sold completely out of, we see that they have finally exited their short of Allied Capital (AFC). Their commentary next to this position jokingly says, "So much to say we could write a book about it." If you're unfamiliar, David Einhorn did write a book on this very short-selling battle entitled, Fooling Some of the People All of the Time.

Embedded below is the entire second quarter letter from hedge fund Greenlight Capital:



You can download a .pdf copy here.

Greenlight's top five largest disclosed long positions are: CIT Group (CIT), Ensco (ESV), gold, Pfizer (PFE), and Vodafone Group (VOD). While shares of Pfizer (PFE) continue to trade lower and lower, Greenlight still owns their stake as they feel the company deserves to be trading at a higher earnings multiple than current levels. Remember that you can hear David Einhorn's newest investment ideas at the upcoming Value Investing Congress (special discount here) where he and other top hedge fund managers will be presenting in October.


Tuesday, June 8, 2010

Bill Ackman's Ira Sohn Presentation: Rating Agencies, General Growth Properties & Citigroup

We had previously covered a brief summary of Bill Ackman's thoughts at the Ira Sohn Investment Conference and now we'll take an in-depth look at the Pershing Square hedge fund manager's thoughts. Below is his full presentation encompassing topics of how to save the ratings agencies, his continued bullish stance on General Growth Properties (GGP), a new book he is the subject of, and his brand new purchase of Citigroup (C).

Ackman first critiqued the ratings agencies and laid out a plan on how to 'save' them. He mainly thinks they need to negate conflicts of interest, institute a new payment scheme as well as a new issue ratings moratorium. Ackman feels we need a new system whereby investors are not so overly reliant on ratings and can do their own due diligence. In the end, he believes NRSROs should be removed from the structuring and underwriting process and you can view his full thoughts in the presentation below. You'll recall of course that fellow hedge fund manager David Einhorn of Greenlight Capital is bearish on the sector. In fact, he mentioned in his new Ira Sohn presentation that he was still short the ratings agencies and we've also covered his original thesis from last year, The Curse of the Triple A.

Ackman's next topic revisited an old (and still current) investment. At least year's Ira Sohn Conference, you may remember that Bill Ackman made a presentation on General Growth Properties. Back then, the stock was trading around $1 per share as the mall REIT operator was on the verge of bankruptcy. Ackman's investment turned out to be his most successful ever, but he's not done yet. His new presentation details the plan to save the company from bankruptcy as well as the continued bullish prospects. He cites a bouncing-back US consumer, demand for mall REIT debt and equity capital, increased mall traffic, as well as decreasing cap rates.

Most notably, Ackman delves into General Growth's bankruptcy emergence where the company will become two separate entities: General Growth Properties (GGP) and General Growth Opportunities (GGO) He notes an estimated value of GGP at $15 and an estimated value of GGO at $5. GGP would be considered the cashflow cow as it holds all the income producing assets while GGO holds more non-income producing properties (via real estate development assets). Ackman also makes note that shares of GGP would have to be added back to real estate indices, thus generating natural buyers because when the company entered bankruptcy it was removed from these indices. You'll recall of course that we previously detailed how Ackman thinks GGP could double over the next few years. Hedge fund Pershing Square is definitely still in the bullish camp as we've detailed their large economic exposure to GGP. For the rest of Ackman's investments, head to Pershing Square's equity portfolio.

Rounding out Ackman's presentation, he then casually mentions that people have always accused him of talking his book (who doesn't talk their book these days?) As such, he ties in the suggestion that you buy Christine Richard's new book, Confidence Game: How a Hedge Fund Manager Called Wall Street's Bluff, which he is the subject of. Lastly, Ackman leaves one presentation slide up regarding Pershing Square's brand new purchase of 150 million shares of Citigroup (C) and comically comments that he doesn't have time to talk about this large new addition. Later in the week though, we did manage to determine why Bill Ackman bought Citigroup.

Embedded below is Bill Ackman & hedge fund Pershing Square's full presentation from the Ira Sohn Investment Conference analyzing the ratings agencies, General Growth Properties, and more:



You can download a .pdf copy here.

Given his new Citigroup purchase, we'll probably see an in-depth slide show on that investment at some point in the future from Pershing. Even though General Growth Properties has already been his single most successful investment, Ackman thinks shares are still heading higher. For more on Bill Ackman, head to our profile of Pershing Square. For more hedge fund manager presentations, head to the summary of the Ira Sohn Investment Conference as well as David Einhorn's presentation and Steve Eisman's presentation.


Wednesday, May 26, 2010

Ira Sohn Conference Notes: Investment Ideas From Hedge Fund Managers

This year's Ira Sohn Conference was packed with investment presentations from heavy hitting hedge fund managers including Seth Klarman, David Einhorn, Bill Ackman, David Tepper, Larry Robbins and more. Like the Value Investing Congress (in-depth notes from that recent event here), you get a plethora of ideas from top talent. Presentations at Ira Sohn in years past include Greenlight Capital's David Einhorn blasting Lehman Brothers before it failed and Pershing Square's Bill Ackman detailing his bullish stance on shares of General Growth Properties when they were trading below $1 (as they now trade north of $13).

We covered many of last year's Ira Sohn presentations for those interested and the list goes on, but you get the picture. Without further ado, let's dive into some of the investment presentations we've aggregated from various sets of notes that were sent to us, as well as the live-tweeting of NY Times' Michael de la Merced and additional coverage from Barron's Tiernan Ray. We'll post up more in-depth presentations as they become available.


David Tepper of Appaloosa Management: Tepper was nonchalant in the outset of his presentation where he mentioned that his firm had lost $1 billion in AUM over the past month, yet he shrugged his shoulders and joked 'what are ya gonna do?' He then shifted to his current investment ideas such as his bet on AIG 8.175 junior subordinated debt. It trades somewhere around 70 cents on the dollar and he thinks this mispricing is due to a misunderstanding of AIG's capital structure. Additionally, Tepper likes Bank of America (BAC) and thinks it could see $27 in the next year. Sticking with banking, he also likes Spanish giant Banco Santander (STD). Lastly, Tepper also likes commercial mortgage backed securities (CMBS) here. Regarding the economy and a potential turnaround, he is hopeful and thinks we can handle it. His funds are typically invested in 70% debt and 30% equity. Currently, his debt exposure is 50% corporate and 20% asset backed. We recently detailed Appaloosa's portfolio for those interested in the rest of Tepper's investments.


David Einhorn of Greenlight Capital: Einhorn had all kinds of negative things to say about the creditworthiness of the US. His presentation was entitled, "Good News for the Grandchildren" implying that grandchildren won't have to pay off the government's spiraling debt. Einhorn actually thinks that a crisis has unfolded already and our generation will be the ones paying for it. He says it is very necessary to address the situation now rather than spiral into a debt crisis. Einhorn again lambasted the credit ratings agencies and thinks official ratings should be eliminated. He notes that Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner is 'all-in' because he thinks that the US's credit rating will never be cut. To this though, Einhorn said, "I don't believe a US debt default is inevitable." In his presentation, Einhorn mentioned that he is still short Moody's (MCO) as well as McGraw Hill (MHP), the parent company of ratings agency Standard & Poors. Einhorn originally laid out a short thesis on these names at last year's Ira Sohn Conference in a presentation, The Curse of the Triple-A.

Einhorn then shifted the discussion to real-world costs and inflation. He went on to say that, "if your goal is to never see inflation, you will never see it until it is rampant." Einhorn was critical of the government's zero interest rate policy and warns it can create another bubble. He thinks that higher rates would actually lead to increased lending in the private sector because right now all you're seeing is banks playing the yield curve. Einhorn outlined all the past scenarios where the Federal Reserve didn't see a bubble until it was too late: from Long Term Capital Management to the dot-com bubble to the housing bubble and now to the sovereign debt crisis.

In terms of investment ideas, he likes African Barrick Gold (LON: ABG) traded in London. He thinks this name is cheap and could eventually be added to various indexes as well which would serve as a catalyst for institutional buying. Einhorn ended by saying, "We own some gold and some gold stocks for our investors and for ourselves. We will worry about our grandchildren later." If you'll remember a long while back, we first detailed when Greenlight Capital started storing physical gold. In recent activity, regulatory filings disclosed Einhorn's new position in NCR and we've also detailed Greenlight's portfolio. To learn more about Einhorn and his investment process, we recommend checking out his book, Fooling Some of the People All of the Time.


Bill Ackman of Pershing Square Capital Management: In typical Ackman fashion, he crammed an 80-slide presentation into 15 minutes. He proposed a "Wait to Rate" system to reform the rating agency business where it would be illegal for an agency to issue a rating within sixty days of the security's issuance. And if the agencies mess up, then they should lose their status. Turning to specific investment ideas, Ackman again focused on General Growth Properties (GGP). Some of you will remember that Ackman presented this same idea last year when shares were ridiculously cheap. Last year's premise with this name was an argument that the company's assets were worth more than their liabilities and that this bankruptcy was different than most.

This year, Ackman's GGP thesis continues on in that he sees very little mall construction over the next three to five years, an area GGP already has a dominant position in. He highlights that GGP is being split up into two entities: GGP & GGO. GGP would be the cash-flow generating side of the business and GGO would represent underperforming but valuable assets. Lastly, Ackman quickly remarked that his firm Pershing Square has been buying Citigroup (C) in recent weeks and has assembled a position of 150 million shares, but ran out of time to elaborate on the stake. For more on Ackman's investing style, he is the subject of Christine Richard's new book, Confidence Game: How a Hedge Fund Manager Called Wall Street's Bluff. Additionally, we've previously profiled Pershing Square and detailed Ackman's portfolio.


Seth Klarman of Baupost Group: Klarman continued his stern and gloomy comments from last week. He essentially gave a speech on what he would say if he were called in front of Congress to discuss Wall Street. He likened short sellers to policeman and reiterated the fact that they are not evil. He commented negatively on risk regulators, saying that they will inevitably make mistakes and that they won't be able to head off the next crisis at the pass. He feels the market should work itself out and that there should be no bailouts and that only the strong should survive. Klarman noted that many institutions have been bailed out and that the government's action related to AIG has 'raised moral hazards to new heights.' Klarman also joined in on the berating of the ratings agencies saying something should be done about them. Lastly, Klarman says that anyone in a transaction with a counterparty thinks the other investor is wrong, that's the beauty of a market. Just a few days ago we highlighted Seth Klarman's recommended reading list so definitely check that out. We also posted a summary of Klarman's speech at the CFA conference and have previously detailed Baupost Group's portfolio as well.


Steve Eisman of FrontPoint Financial Services Fund (Morgan Stanley): This name should be familiar to those of you who have read Michael Lewis' The Big Short, as he was one of the investors profiled in the story of the subprime trade. His presentation was entitled, "Subprime Goes to College" and as you can guess, he's negative on for-profit education companies. Those of you who followed the Ira Sohn Conference last year will remember that Jim Chanos gave a similar presentation berating these companies. Eisman sees Washington continuing to clamp down on the industry after these companies hired seemingly every lobbyist out there in previous years. He notes that a key to the problem here is the 'rating' these institutions receive from accreditation boards and he likens these boards to the ratings agencies who blessed subprime mortgages.

Eisman focused specifically on Apollo Group (APOL) and noted that if employment figures started to rise, APOL & others could see EPS declines of 40% annually. His presentation called out numerous other players in the space, including ITT Educational (ESI), Corinthian Colleges (COCO), and Education Management (EDMC). Eisman also painted Washington Post (WPO) in a negative light due to their ownership of the Kaplan test preparation business. That last one is intriguing because we recently saw Roberto Mignone's hedge fund Bridger Management buy shares of Princeton Review (REVU), a fellow test prep service.

The dichotomy of opinion continues as the for-profit education space has been an area ripe for debate. We've seen many prominent hedge fund managers own sizable stakes as Stephen Mandel's Lone Pine Capital has been bullish on education plays. That said, we've also noted that some of these managers have had a recent change of heart. David Stemerman's Conatus Capital had been long and sold out of their education plays. Andreas Halvorsen's Viking Global also exited Apollo Group recently. Additionally, there are also numerous high profile detractors such as Chanos and now Eisman.


Jamie Dinan of York Capital: Dinan's first idea was Coca Cola Enterprises (CCE) as they saw Coca Cola buy their bottling operations in the US earlier this year. He loves CCE's free cash flow. We've actually seen numerous other prominent hedge funds owning CCE shares as well, so they're definitely not alone in this pick. Dinan's second bet is on ING (ING). He values it at 1.2x book resulting in a value of 9.32 euros a share. He also noted that post bankruptcy equities are good places to be. This is a sweet spot for York Capital given their focus and he cited Lyondell (LALLF) as an example as he thinks it's worth $22 (it currently trades around $17). We just yesterday detailed some of York's recent portfolio activity for those interested.


Larry Robbins of Glenview Capital: Robbins highlighted that the market's P/E multiple is 12.3x and as the political presence in Washington grows, the P/E shrinks. He thinks now is a great time for stockpicking and not cash, 10 year treasuries or debt. He says to buy definitive growth and avoid high valuations. In particular, Robbins likes McKesson (MCK), Express Scripts (ESRX), Life Technologies (LIFE) and Fidelity National Information (FIS). Regarding FIS specifically, he agrees with the board's decision to reject Blackstone's bid and is in favor of the leveraged recapitalization plan. Regarding Express Scripts, he sees stable earnings and points out they have cash on hand to buy back stock or make acquisitions. We've pointed out that Andreas Halvorsen's Viking Global is bullish on ESRX as well. On Life Technologies, Robbins highlights organic growth, a defensive business mix, and potential industry consolidation. He also likes McKesson because it has a ton of cash, great free cash flow, and is trading at 11x earnings. For more from Robbins, we've previously outlined his thoughts on the case for global equities in 2010 at a hedge fund panel.


Jon Jacobson of Highfields Capital: Jacobson, formerly of Harvard's endowment and now one of the founders of Highfields, listed Sallie Mae (SLM) as his favorite pick. The main thesis here is that it is moving into a fee-based business with a great management team. He noted that the street has had a hard time valuing shares due to the gross leverage. And while this play is risky, he thinks it's undervalued. In a run-off scenario, Jacobson thinks SLM is worth between $15 and $25. While Sallie Mae is term funded, he argues they are adequately capitalized. He mentioned its legacy "FFELP" business is worth $6-8 a share on its own. SLM trades at 2x earnings and many of their competitors are essentially gone. SLM enjoys economies of scale, the credit quality of their loans is getting much better, and Jacobson also mentioned insider buying. Shares were up in aftermarket trading following his presentation. Shifting to the general commentary, Jacobson also cited his concern for the climate in Washington as he claims there is no leadership and that many US states are the American equivalent of Greece, bankrupt or about to be. Overall, he feels that the government is simply delaying these problems for future generations. We've covered some of Jacobson's previous thoughts at a hedge fund panel where he addressed whether or not there is alpha in asset allocation.


Daniel Arbess of Perella Weinberg Partners/Xerion Capital: Arbess' presentation focused on China. He specifically likes Yum Brands (YUM), as the fast food chain has great exposure to that country. Additionally, he likes Ivanhoe (IVN) in the metallurgical coal space as he's bullish on gold and commodities as well. On gold specifically, he says "I doubt we're at a top" but at the same time he does not like it as a safe haven against inflation. In currency trades, he likes a trade of short the Japanese yen and long the Canadian dollar. Arbess also listed Celanese (CE) as one of his picks. Lastly, he sees more distressed credit opportunities coming up as maturities start to roll in. And like many other presenters, he had an unpleasant view of the current political administration and their actions. Turning lastly to the debt crisis, Arbess thinks there are no quick fixes and the outcome is unpredictable. In the past, we've previously covered some brief portfolio activity out of Perella Weinberg.


Jeremy Grantham of GMO: His favorite picks were commodities and in particular, timber. He highlights this because it's the only asset class that did not lose value in the 1970's or during the Great Depression. His second pick centered on emerging market equities and thirdly, Grantham also favors high quality US stocks. Armed with a chart displaying equity valuation of mega caps since 1955, he points out that mega cap valuation has declined since 1955 and they currently represent great value. Shifting to macro thoughts, he thinks the UK housing bubble has yet to burst and that prices could fall as much as 33% more and also warned of a possible bubble in Australia.


Niall Ferguson: He mentioned that now is not the time to short Treasuries. However, he also cautioned to avoid holding 10 year bonds to maturity. Scarily enough, Ferguson thinks the US will be like Greece by 2013 and that we won't be able to 'print' our way out of this mess.


That wraps up our aggregation of notes from the Ira Sohn Investment Conference. If you enjoyed our coverage, please consider receiving our free hedge fund updates via email or our free updates via RSS reader. Thank you to those that sent us notes and stay tuned as we'll post up in-depth presentations as we receive them.