Chris Mayer Interview: World According to Boyar Podcast

Boyar Value Group recently started doing a podcast entitled The World According to Boyar.  In it, they'll conversations with top investors, authors, and businesspeople.  Their first guest was Chris Mayer, author of How Do You Know as well as the investing book: 100 Baggers.  He is the Chief Investment Strategist of Bonner & Partners.  Here's some notes from the podcast as well as the full podcast audio embedded below:


Chris Mayer Interview on Boyar Podcast

- On 100 Baggers, it's basically taking the concept of a 10x return on a stock from Peter Lynch and adding a zero to it, to find the cream of the crop in terms of investment returns.  Mayer looked at all stocks that returned 100x from 1962 to 2014 to find common characteristics.  It returned 365 stocks and the best performing stock of all was Berkshire Hathaway.

- His biggest takeaway was that: return on invested capital is the most important factor.  If you compound at 25% a year for 25 years, that's a 100 bagger.  But that's also an extremely large feat.

-  The returns can often be back-end loaded so patience is one of the most important factors.  The psychology of watching prices head higher and higher and being tempted to sell often keeps people from holding on.  On the other side of the equation, the other problem is during those 100 baggers, you have to often survive multiple big drawdowns.  So psychology plays a big part in being able to withstand the swings.

- Coffee Can Portfolio:  Idea from Journal of Portfolio Management.  Investor just bought a small portfolio of stocks and just didn't touch them for 10 years and performed extremely well, much better than someone who bought the same stocks but actively sold positions.  Mayer named Howard Hughes (HHC) as a stock that could be an example today.  He bought it in 2011 and hasn't sold any shares since.  Another he likes is Fairfax Financial in Canada.

- How Do You Know: A Guide to Clear Thinking About Wall Street, Investing & Life is his new book that's not necessarily a traditional investing book but it's about how you know what you know.  You shouldn't try to know or explain every single little move a stock makes.

Embedded below is the full podcast of Boyar's interview with Chris Mayer:



We also recently posted up some complimentary equity research from Boyar if you missed it.  They've analyzed three stocks they feel have high upside and those reports are available for free: CHTR, BEN, STKL.

Complimentary Equity Research From Boyar on CHTR, BEN, STKL

We wanted to give readers a head's up that Boyar Research is currently offering complimentary equity reports on three stocks.  They consistently put out high quality research and this time around they look at one popular hedge fund name, and two other names you might be less familiar with.

Boyar sees 60% upside in each of these companies. You can read the full write-ups for free here and we've excerpted some of the reports below with permission:


Charter Communications (CHTR)

"We view Charter as a best-in-class operator in the midst of multiple transitions that should unlock faster growth in the coming years. Charter ramped up investment in the TWC and Bright House assets it acquired in 2016, which should result in lower capital intensity, lower churn, and incremental cost savings/margin expansion going forward. We estimate that video will account for < 20% of Charter’s consolidated revenues, net of programming costs, by 2019. Meanwhile, Charter holds a near-monopoly on high-speed Internet over much of its footprint, and its commercial business continues to grow at or near double-digit rates.

We project that Charter can grow Adjusted EBITDA from $15.3 billion in 2017 to $20 billion by 2022. Assuming no expansion in Charter’s forward EV/EBITDA multiple, we estimate that Charter’s intrinsic value could exceed $500/share by year-end 2021. Charter already retired 12% of its shares in 2017 and could have the capacity for ~$28 billion (a third of the current market cap) in additional repurchases over the next 4 years. Finally, we believe that Charter and indeed cable companies generally are in a better position than wireless operators to support the development of 5G, and Charter remains a likely seller over the long term."

You can read their full analysis of CHTR here.


Franklin Resources (BEN)

"Following a decline of more than 25% in its share price from recent 52-week highs, BEN now trades at just 1.2% of its AUM (adjusted for its large cash hoard of ~$8.5 billion of net cash/investments, or ~50% of its current market cap), representing a significant discount to industry precedent transactions, which have occurred at 2.7% of AUM, on average, over the past ~10 years.

Since the beginning of FY 2007, BEN has returned $15.1 billion to shareholders via repurchases and dividends/special dividends, representing 87% of its current market cap and an astonishing 178% of its current enterprise value. Returns to shareholders will likely continue to be robust thanks to the Company’s newfound liquidity, the result of the new U.S. tax law, which offers lower federal tax rates and more favorable repatriation features. In the wake of the passage of the new tax law, Franklin has paid a special dividend, increased its regular dividend by 15% to $0.92 a share (yield: 2.9%), and accelerated the pace of its share buybacks.

Based on our assumption that the Company’s AUM will increase at just a 2.5% annual rate over the next 2 years, and valuing BEN at a discounted 2.5% of AUM, we derive an intrinsic value for the Company of $55 a share, representing 74% upside from current levels. Should the value versus growth pendulum or the active versus passive pendulum shift in Franklin’s favor, our intrinsic value estimate will likely prove extremely conservative.

We believe that Franklin represents an attractive target for a financial services firm given its strong brands, favorable long-term investment track record, and strong global distribution. Moreover, the Johnson family’s ~40% stake, coupled with BEN’s strong balance sheet, could help facilitate a management buyout." 

Click here for the rest of their complimentary BEN research.


SunOpta (STKL)

"SunOpta is in the early stages of a multi-year turnaround that is expected to drive growth, increase profitability, and unlock shareholder value. The Company’s turnaround is being overseen by a new chairman and CEO, both of whom have a proven track record of unlocking shareholder value in the consumer products industry. Notably, SunOpta’s chairman recently presided over the value creation at AdvancePierre Foods for Oaktree Capital (a 23-bagger for that firm).

The Company operates in the attractive market for organic and non-GMO ingredients and consumer products, which is growing at a high single-digit/low teens (%) rate. The increasingly important millennial generation is expected to be a key factor sustaining future industry growth, as millennial parents are the largest purchasers of organic products in the U.S.

The prospect for increased private label penetration bodes well for SunOpta, which has a low-cost advantage over its peers thanks to its integrated sourcing and manufacturing business model.

In late 2016, SunOpta received an $85 million investment from Oaktree Capital, which has continued to increase its stake in the Company, acquiring nearly $60 million in STKL shares via open market purchases during 2017 at an average price of $7.36 a share.

Applying a discounted multiple, relative to precedent transactions, to our 2020E EBITDA, we derive an intrinsic value of $12 a share, representing 65% upside from current levels. Management is heavily incentivized to unlock shareholder value, as the CEO holds ~750k of performance-based stock options/units that vest at various increments/stock prices between $11 and $18 a share."


Read the free report on STKL here.

Jonathan Boyar's London Value Investor Conference Presentation 2018: AXTA, GOLF, MSGN, BEN, HHC

We're posting up notes from the 2018 London Value Investor Conference.  Next up is Jonathan Boyar of Boyar Value Group who presented five long ideas: Axalta Coating Systems (AXTA), Acushnet Holdings (GOLF), Madison Square Garden Networks (MSGN), Franklin Resources (BEN), and Howard Hughes (HHC).


Jonathan Boyar's London Value Investor Conference Presentation

Long: Axalta Coating Systems (AXTA):  Axalta is the world's 5th largest coatings company. Berkshire Hathaway own a large stake. It’s the no. 1 player in refinish (re-painting autos after accidents). Refinish accounts for 50% of their EBITDA and is the crown jewel. They have turned down two takeover offers. The company appears to be for sale, but they are waiting for the right offer. They are buying back shares. They are currently trading ats ubstantially less than an acquirer would pay at EBITDA 10x 2019. This type of company usually gets bought out for 13x to 15x.

Long: Acushnet Holdings (NYSE: GOLF) Acushnet designs, makes and sells golf products. It is a great consumer franchise. It’s not in a major index. It has minimal sell-side coverage. It generates 40% of revenues from consumer products. It’s a potential takeover target. Nike has left the golf product business.

Long: Madison Square Garden Networks (MSGN):  It’s a broadcasting company that was technically the parent from the spin out of Madison Square Garden (MSG). At the time of the spin-out it was carrying a lot of debt (5x levered). They have now reduced that to 3x. Once Disney, Fox and Comcast conclude their M&A activity one of them might be interested in bidding for Madison Square Garden Networks.  The market believes that cable operators might drop the channel. This is unlikely because sports are too important to cable subscribers and advertisers. The shares are cheap at FCF 7x.

Long: Franklin Resources (NYSE: BEN):  Franklin is an Investment management business. They are buying back a lot of stock. The family owns 40% of the company. If the shares get cheap enough the family might buy it outright.

Long: Howard Hughes Corporation (NYSE: HHC).  The real estate is difficult to value and the company is largely ignored by most investors. It is not in a major index. The CEO recently purchased a warrant for $50m that will expire worthless if the stock does not go up.


Be sure to check out the rest of the presentations from the London Value Investor Conference 2018.

Jonathan Boyar's Presentation at London Value Investor Conference

We're posting up notes from the 2017 London Value Investor Conference.  Next up is Jonathan Boyar of Boyar Value Group.


Jonathan Boyar's Presentation at London Value Investor Conference

Boyar is a value focused research company and asset manager. Jonathan Boyer favours 5 approaches to identifying value:

-    Look for hidden assets. This is his favourite approach as it cannot be replicated by computers

-    Business value – look for businesses hated by Wall Street. They tend to throw the ‘baby out with the bathwater’.

-    Spin offs (and their parents). Both do well

-    Consumer franchises

-    Fallen angels On top of this he looks for catalysts.

Long QVC (QVCA); Long Discovery Communications (DISCA/DISCK); Long Hanes Brands (HBI); Long Legg Mason (LM)


Be sure to check out the rest of the presentations from the London Value Investor Conference.

Boyar Research Reports on Hanesbrands, Legg Mason, and Liberty Global

Barron’s recently ran a bullish story on Hanesbrands where they argued the stock could advance by 25%. The piece references extensively a recent report published by Boyar Research. Boyar was kind enough to provide our readers with this report as well as additional reports on Legg Mason and Liberty Global.

To receive these free reports, please visit:
http://boyarresearch.com/MF-Apr-2017

Boyar Research takes a private equity approach to public market investing by identifying securities trading at a substantial discount to their estimate of intrinsic or private market value. Since 2009, the average return for each company profiled in their flagship publication Asset Analysis Focus has been 83.7%, compared with an average return of 53.3% for the S&P 500.*

Hanesbrands Inc. (HBI)

- Hanesbrands, the world’s largest basic apparel company, boasts a portfolio of first-rate brands that hold the #1 or #2 market share position in underwear, intimate apparel, hosiery, and active wear in 12 countries.

- Several issues have weighed on HBI shares over the past two years, culminating in a sharp sell-off in the stock after the Company reported poor 4Q 2016 results. HBI’s innerwear segment, which comprises 43% of sales and nearly 60% of operating profit, exhibited surprising weakness during that quarter due to soft retail traffic not being fully offset by their rapidly growing online sales. However, we do not believe that this recent weakness represents a secular shift in the purchasing frequency of HBI’s products. Rather, we believe this is a temporary situation caused by a shift of customer purchasing behavior from brick-and-mortar establishments to online distribution channels.

- To see Boyar’s estimate of intrinsic value for HBI and to receive their complimentary full report, please click here


Legg Mason, Inc. (LM)

- Legg Mason, Inc. is a formidable player within the asset management industry, possessing impressive scale (~$710 billion of AUM) and a diverse line of well-established products catering to a full range of investment styles and asset classes.

- Approximately 70% of LM’s strategies are outperforming benchmarks from one-year and three-year perspectives, and the figure for the five-year and ten-year perspectives exceeds 80%.

- The Company has also reduced its shares outstanding by 40% and has raised its dividend seven times since 2010. However, LM shares have failed to achieve significant outperformance despite the Company’s strategic advances. In large part, this likely reflects the difficult fundamentals currently impacting the actively managed fund sector.

- LM is trading at approximately 0.7% of AUM, a substantial discount from how comparable firms have historically been valued in transactions.

- To see Boyar’s estimate of intrinsic value for LM and to receive their full report, please click here


Liberty Global plc (LBTYA / LBTYK)

- Liberty Global is the largest European cable systems operator.

- Liberty Global is underpenetrated in its existing network and has plans to expand its footprint by 6-7 million homes in the coming years.

- Liberty Global shares have de-rated to ~9x EV/OCF, below their longer-term average of ~10x—offering a bargain, in our view, for a high-margin, recession-resistant business best positioned to capitalize on the secular growth in internet data usage.

- To see Boyar’s estimate of intrinsic value for LBTYK and to receive their full report, please click here

Welling on Wall Street Interview With Boyar Value Group

Welling on Wall Street recently interviewed Boyar Value Group's Mark Boyar and Jonathan Boyar and talked about various topics including: their investment strategy, some of their current favorite stock ideas, and behavioral finance.

On investing, Mark Boyar noted that, "Patience is probably one of the most important elements of stock market investing.  First, you have to find the great business at a good price, then you have to have patience, the fortitude and the ability to withstand gyrations in the stock market.  That element is critically important."

They also share their thoughts on stocks such as Madison Square Garden (MSG), QVC (QVCA), Discovery Communications (DISCA/K) and more.

Check out the full interview embedded below:



You can download a .pdf copy here.

Mark Boyar's Presentation on Madison Square Garden (MSG): Value Investing Congress

We're posting up notes from the 2013 Value Investing Congress in New York.  Next up is Mark Boyar of Boyar Value Group.  He pitched Madison Square Garden (MSG) as a long.


Mark Boyar's Value Investing Congress Presentation

Long Madison Square Garden (MSG)  

He sees MSG worth $84 and they won't be forced to move the Garden since they own the building and have little incentive to move.  He feels the real estate around the area will eventually increase in value.

Also, he wants the board to repurchase shares and issue a dividend since it generates around $300mm in cash every year.  Boyar also noted that MSG shareholders could benefit if the Dolan family were to take MSG private.


Be sure to check out the other presentations from the New York VIC here.