Notes From Sohn New York Investment Conference 2018: Einhorn, Robbins, Gurley & More

The annual Sohn New York Investment Conference recently took place and featured top hedge fund managers sharing their latest ideas to benefit charity.  Below are notes from the event.  We've also posted up notes from the emerging manager panel, Next Wave Sohn New York.


 Notes From Sohn New York Investment Conference 2018


John Khoury, Long Pond Capital: Long D.R. Horton (DHI).  He runs a $2.5B long/short fund mainly in Real Estate.  Pitch is DHI is getting asset light by only building on developed lots instead of buying raw land, getting approvals, and building the infrastructure.  So it's an asset-light model with less debt and better ROIC, so deserves better multiple.  They are the biggest US builder based on number of units - average price is $300k, basically entry-level homes, and they built 50k last year.  What about interest rates? Says that is the biggest fear now, but rates could go up 100 bp and housing would still be affordable in relation to current income and net worth of households.  Key is rates would be coming up from such a low place. Says record low inventories.  Expects $5.50 EPS by 2020, uses 13x to get $71.50, or 63% upside.


Li Ran, Half Sky Capital.  Long: GrubHub (GRUB).  2014 IPO.  Felt like the companion pitch to the TKWY pitch in the morning at Next Wave Sohn from Alex Captain of Cat Rock Capital.  Large addressable market, positive unit economics, proof of concept, and support from restaurants.  Painted a pretty rosy picture, didn't really touch on the bear case.  She says $70B TAM on 35% penetration on 110M diners (they have 14.5M now, and many analysts think they are close to fully penetrated in the US.)  She has done surveys of restaurant managers that expect GRUB to keep growing.Price Target $160, on 15x EV/EBITDA, up 60% from here.  Previously worked at Lone Pine Capital.


Jeffrey Gundlach, DoubleLine Capital: Long XOP ETF, short Facebook (FB).  His FB pitch seemed to mainly be based on technicals.  He used the fact that FB is below the 200 day moving average at the time as his reason to be short.  He also cited 2 examples of government regulation hurting stocks - one was tobacco. (He didn't mention other examples where stocks were stronger yet, such as credit cards, banks, etc.).  He pointed out a 'head and shoulders' formation on the FB chart, which is usually bearish.       


Chamath Palihapitiya, Social Capital: Long Box (BOX).  He said BOX was an AI play, and he also said you should have an AI basket of AMZN, GOOG, BOX.  He was less enthusiastic about NVDA, because he believed GOOG's TPUs are "ten times better."  On BOX, he said it goes up 10x in 10 years, even though it has 70% of Fortune 500 already.  Core business stable, adding SaaS revenue.  Big Data/AI play, and 4.3x revenue. Only growing 20% CAGR, yet he expects multiple expansion.


Glen Kacher, Light Street Capital: Long Palo Alto Networks (PANW).  Tiger Cub 1993-1997.  He was up 11% through the end of Q1 in 2018.  He talked about cyber warfare, and how firewalls weren't enough and how you need a platform approach.  $19B market cap, biggest in Cyber, ARPU 4x the competition, which is CHKP, CSCO, FTNT, JNPR and others. Compares their attempt to shift to subscription services that ADBE has done (though he didn't mention the difference is that ADBE didn't sell hardware).  He gets a $360 price target using 10.6x Revenue.  He admits products slipped in 2017, but thinks it comes in 2018.


Seth Stephens-Davidowitz, New York Times op-ed contributor, visiting lecturer at The Wharton School and former Google data scientist.  Gave an interesting preview of his book, Everybody Lies.  Basically, a lot of people have secrets and tendencies, even though they don't admit it, but you can find out because of Google searches, which he calls "Digital Truth Serum."


Scott Ferguson, Sachem Head Capital: Long Whitbread (WTB).  Basically "Dunkin Donuts of the UK, with a budget hotel thrown in.  "Hasn't done well, they have been stuck in it for a year, he says the bad news is now priced in.


John Pfeffer, Pfeffer Capital: Long bitcoin.  The other alternative coins aren't great, stick with best of breed.  The pitch was basically that bitcoin is gold 2.0, similar to what the Winklevoss twins have argued.  Used a lot of formulas in the pitch.  Ultimately says could be a 1% chance that XBT goes to $700k if it's used as a Reserve Currency.  Maybe it's only Gold 2.0, then it's worth about $90-180k per coin, up from about $9k today.


Bill Gurley, Benchmark, with Chamath Palihapitiya:  Interesting back and forth between two talented VCs.  Gurley contemplates the idea of "peak car" ownership in the US.  3.2 cars per household now, could never get higher.  Says Uber is getting turned around, culture improving.  Slack, AirBnB are big ones to watch when they IPO.  He says autonomy could be 2 decades away, because the US is such a litigious society.  FB- he would be long, says this is not an existential threat.  AMZN- "of course, long."  GOOG - he's concerned - they have problems, although he wouldn't short (He also told an amusing story how they turned them down for VC money).  TSLA- says Musk is making it too risky to own the stock.  SoFi- "when you are handing out money there is no barrier to entry and the guy doing the highest volume usually has the loosest rule set."  HTZ- he would be short, even against Icahn.  Several issues:"disruption and debt are bad sisters," 5-15x levered, depending on whether you count the car loans.  Ride sharing is a huge substitute for rental cars in many US cities.  Systematic used car problem - if the macro gets hard at all, this business has zero flexibility due to the debt load.


Larry Robbins, Glenview Capital: Long ESRX, MCK, CVS.  Says AMZN is not going to get into their business, the PBMs aren't really gouging, they only make pennies, and drug prices have actually dropped over the last 4 years.  Says they trade at historically low multiples.  Says MCK goes up 91% in 2-3 years after the spin, and share buyback. ESRX deal with CI will happen.


Sohn Idea Contest Winner, Andrew Walker: Long LQM.  Mispricing due to taxable spin, incentive to keep price low.  This is a popular HF play right now.


Nathaniel August, Mangrove Partners: short EROS."Netflix of India" maker of Bollywood films.  He did a long presentation which focused on how he argues the company is cheating on their accounting every way possible.  He's being sued by the company.  Small cap, doesn't trade much.


David Einhorn, Greenlight Capital: Short Assured Guaranty (AGO).  Bond insurer, beset by Puerto Rico bonds and decline in overall muni bond issuance.  Business is also levered, with smaller room for error.


Be sure to also check out notes from the emerging manager segment of the conference: notes from Next Wave Sohn New York.

Darsana Capital Shows Stake in Social Capital Hedosophia Holdings (IPOA.U)

Anand Desai's hedge fund firm Darsana Capital has revealed a stake in Social Capital Hedosophia Holdings (IPOA.U).  Per a 13G filed with the SEC, Darsana now owns 5.07% of the company with 3.5 million shares.

This is a new position for the firm as shares of IPOA.U were just floated recently.  Hedosophia is a vehicle used by Chamath Palihapitiya's Social Capital to invest in 'unicorn' private tech companies.  They're trying to create a new model for taking private companies public via this 'blank check' structure.

Prior to founding Darsana, Desai worked at Eton Park Capital.

Per Google Finance, Social Capital Hedosophia Holdings is "a blank check company. The Company is formed for the purpose of effecting a merger, share exchange, asset acquisition, share purchase, reorganization or similar business combination with one or more businesses. The Company seeks to focus on search for a target business operating in the technology industries. The Company had not identified any business combination target."

Delivering Alpha Conference Notes 2017: Robertson, Dalio, Chanos, Cooperman & More

CNBC and Institutional Investor's Delivering Alpha Conference just took place and featured many big name speakers.  Here's notes from the event itself and summaries of television interviews as well:


Delivering Alpha Conference Notes 2017


Julian Robertson (Tiger Management)

Robertson noted that interest rates need to increase because there's a bubble forming in the stock market.  Since rates are low, stocks don't really have much in the way of competition for money.  He also predicts that Trump will ask Janet Yellen to stay on as Federal Reserve Chair.

He recently got back into Alibaba (BABA).  He previously owned it at "a very low price" (seven years ago) but sold it around $100 but now he's back in.  Says it's unbelievable how the company has seen 50% in earnings.  While other investors claim it to have accounting issues, Robertson said, "It would have to be such a giant fraud.  I mean, I can't imagine anything would be that colossal."

Argued that Apple (AAPL), Facebook (FB), and Google (GOOG) are cheaper than they would have been in the 1960's, 70's or 80's.  On Netflix (NFLX), he noted "does anyone not like it?"  He said it "might be a little out of reach" now but it's still tempting him because it's run by good people and he loves it.

He likes the cruise industry, saying that "(It) has come of age.  And older people my age are attracted to the cruise ship industry.  And they are booming right now, and all over the world they are booming.  And I think they're for the golden oldies."

Robertson still also owns Air Canada: "We got into it at around 8 or 9.  And it's now 23, approaching 24, and the multiple is about the same as when we got in, which is all of five times earnings.  So we have too much Air Canada, but I can't make myself sell it."

Also noted he doesn't think he'll ever understand Bitcoin.

He also continued to share his view that part of the hedge fund crisis is exacerbated by the fact that there's so many of them now and they compete against each other.

Robertson also gave advice to the younger generations: be sure that you love the field and let that be what guides you.



Ray Dalio (Bridgewater Associates)

Dalio's biggest concerns were the following: wealth gap, social conflict, and various financial burdens (debts and pensions).

"I think we're probably in a 2.5% type of growth environment.  I mean, the real question is, to some extent, whether you can unleash the productivity by some of the changes that a pro-business environment can produce."

He thinks tax reform etc will be a watered down version and will come later.

He likened the current environment to 1937 in terms of the early stages of a tightening.

Dalio thinks that we're in an environment with a lot of conflict: political, conflict between parties, conflict between countries.  "This is very important.  This is even more important than how the tax changes are going to take place."

The Bridgewater founder then talked about balancing alpha and beta.  He said gold is essential and part of that balance.  He called it "an effective diversifier of assets" as well as "an alternative version of cash."  He feels it should be 5-10% of everybody's portfolio.

He also thinks it'd be terrible if Gary Cohn left the administration and it'd be bad for the market too.

When asked what he's most worried about, Dalio mentioned risks like North Korea, but said his bigger worry is long-term: wealth and social gap and the conflicts that arise from that.  He's worried about the various debt and pension burdens.

We also recently posted Ray Dalio's TED talk which takes you inside a meeting at Bridgewater.  He also has penned a new book, Principles.



Leon Cooperman (Omega Advisors)

He said that "Conditions that normally lead to significant market decline are either not present or not forecastable."

"The market is in a zone of fair and full valuation.  I see very few signs of exuberance."

Stocks mentioned by Cooperman include First Data (FDC), which he's owned for some time now and called very cheap.

Also, United Continental (UAL), which he felt has solid management that's identified a lot of cost opportunities.  He thinks earnings there can see around 15% over the next few years.  Operating profits could rise by 50% over the next few years and the company has bought back 2% of its shares

He also pitched two energy ideas: Hess (HES), as well as WPX Energy (WPX).  "The solution for low oil prices is low oil prices.  These two (stocks) have growing production profiles and a net asset value well above current prices at existing oil prices."  He thinks oil is headed higher to $60.  Says the sector has been overly discounted.  Says Hess in particular will increase production.

He also likes Shire (SHPG), citing its growth, positive pipeline, and the expectation of stock buybacks.

Said bonds look like they're in a bubble but at same time notes the Fed has been 'forcing people into risk' via its monetary policies.  It will change one day he says, but not yet.



Boaz Weinstein (Saba Capital)

He warned investors to avoid junk bonds.  Argued that half or a third of junk bonds today are held by retail investors, who have a ton of exposure, partly due to the rise of ETFs.  He feels the high yield market is overheated and he's short bonds of various retailers and hospitals.  At the same time, he's long equity of some of those same companies.  "Equity is at a much more rational price and credit markets are ignoring those signals."

Noted that portfolio protection is cheap but few are buying it.  "Does everyone think they can get out on the top?"



Jim Chanos (Kynikos Associates)

He says that "what's worked will continue to work" and monetary will stay easy and investors will live with the valuations.

Chanos says it's easier to find short ideas in this environment, but those ideas "don't work" due to the underlying upward trend.  He says the market was far more correlated last year than it has been this year.

He's short Continential Resources (CLR).  "People have been looking at the industry with rose colored glasses.  This is a problem with the North American shale business.  If we don't get a pickup in the company's fortunes in the back half of the year it's going to struggle."



Jeff Smith (Starboard Value)

Pitched Perrigo (PRGO), generic drug maker.  Says a lot of these products are sold on Amazon now and the company can expand sales of its over-the-counter medicines via that channel.  Shares have been undervalued from pricing pressures.

Also mentioned Altaba (AABA) as a top idea.  This is the former Yahoo stub that is left after selling the core Yahoo business.  What's left is a stake in Alibaba (BABA) and Yahoo Japan, etc.  It's basically a holding company.



Mick McGuire (Marcato Capital)

The activist investor has taken a new stake in Terex (TEX), the company that makes construction equipment.  They started buying last year and roughly own around 1.1 million shares per a recent SEC filing as they own 6% of the company

McGuire feels the company should see a revenue boost after a strategic re-positioning.  It's in the middle of an operating turnaround and is reducing SG&A, so there's operational profit upside.  The company also switched its sourcing program which could potentially save them around $500 million annually.  Thinks shares could triple, and has already doubled since he invested in 2016.



Chamath Palihapitiya (Social Capital)

The venture capitalist who now also runs public investments, said that he's massively long cryptocurrency bitcoin.  He calls the blockchain technology disruptive.

He argued that tech investors need to look at a company's ability to innvoate: "There's just this massive trade right now between the disruptors and the disrupted."  He says there's a lot of opportunity to be long disruptors and short the disrupted.



Jamie Dimon (JPMorgan Chase)

He called bitcoin worse than Tulip Bulbs and thinks it will eventually blow up.  Said he'd fire any of his traders trading bitcoin for being stupid.  Says it could go up to $100,000 before it blows up, who knows.  His daughter bought it, it went up, now she thinks she's a genius, he said.  Thinks it could be vulnerable to government intervention.

Thinks government policies are stifling growth.  If things changed, we'd see 3% growth rather than sub 2% which we've seen annualized now.  Singled out small businesses as most impacted.

Argued banks in the US are very sound at the moment.  Says the successor to JPMorgan is inside JPMorgan.



Mary Erdoes (JPMorgan Asset Management)

When asked about US stocks or bonds, she said none of the above.  Sees enormous opportunities in Europe, Japan, and emerging markets.  Thinks that some investors are worried about emerging markets due to the US dollar as an 'anchor' currency.



Steve Mnuchin (Treasury Secretary)

He says that tax reform is too important not to be passed and that it can occur this year and might even be retroactive back to the beginning of 2017.  Said the President's number one concern is North Korea and security.  Said hedge funds wouldn't have the carried interest provision under Trumps tax proposal.



Steve Schwarzman (Blackstone Group)

He's optimistic on tax reform, saying the 'worst' we'd do is a tax cut somewhere around 25-28%.

He thinks the biggest risk to markets are geopolitical, in particular North Korea.  He said "i would not be buying office buildings in Seoul" though didn't comment further on how this would affect investment decisions.

Schwarzman also argued that he relationship between China and North Korea is not friendly as it is perceived to be.  "The Chinese do not want a nuclearized Korean peninsula, and they're very serious about that.  They also don't want to have a shooting war occur and have 20 million refugees from North Korea go into China.  So it's complicated for them as to what they do."



Barry Sternlicht (Starwood Capital)

"It feels like the ocean is full of money, but it could evaporate."  Says he's most worried about potential problems from North Korea or Syria.

Sohn Conference New York Notes 2017: Ackman, Einhorn, Meister & More

Below we're posting up notes from the Sohn Conference New York 2017.  It featured top hedge fund managers sharing their latest investment ideas all to benefit pediatric cancer research.  We've also posted up the emerging manager presentations from Next Wave Sohn.


Notes From Sohn Conference New York 2017

Bill Ackman (Pershing Square): Long Howard Hughes (HHC)

He argued strong management and solid real estate locations as the main reasons to own the company.  Note that Ackman is the Chairman of the co.  We've posted up Ackman's slideshow presentation from Sohn here.



David Einhorn (Greenlight Capital): Short Core Labs (CLB)

Cyclical stock, expects earnings to disappoint.  Oil prices won't have a 'v' shaped recovery.  Company's annual report shows 65% decrease in oil prices over two years and then a 100% increase in price, a literal 'v' chart.  Says stock is pricey and that they're exposed to the least desirable parts of the market.  Exposure to international oilfield capex budgets which won't recover.  Fair value could be around $62, or over 40% lower.  Recall that Einhorn has also been short Pioneer Natural Resources (PDX) in pitch at previous conferences.



Larry Robbins (Glenview Capital): Long DXC Technology (DXC), FMC (FMC), Quintiles IMS (Q)

DXC has already doubled over the past two years but he thinks it can double again given the huge increase in earnings power.  FMC purchased businesses that Dow and DuPont dumped as part of their merger.  Thinks FMC benefits as the others had to divest this in order to get their big deal done.



Keith Meister (Corvex Management): Long CenturyLink (CTL)

Thinks the company's merger with Level 3 is a game changer.  Filing a 13D with the SEC today disclosing a 5.5% stake.  Says consolidation in telecom will continue due to more data.  If economy is doing well = more data growth which is good for CTL.  If economy doing bad = a 9% dividend yield versus a 10-year Treasury potentially falling back to 2%.  Would never have invested if it weren't for the merger.  Stock priced as if things are in decline permanently.  Sees 40% upside with dividends in base case, but potential return as high as 50-70% if there's corporate tax reform.



Clifton Robbins (Blue Harbour Group): Long Investors Bancorp (ISBC)

Has seen deposit and asset growth continue, should benefit from less regulations and tax reform as well.  They own around 9.9% of the company and one of their partners just joined the board.  Stock could be worth between $17 and $19.  Fortress balance sheet.  Have grown loans 22% CAGR.  Co has $1 billion in excess cash to allocate.  Could potentially be an acquisition target since it's a strong regional bank.  Has previously pitched this name at another conference a few years ago.  Also noted his firm is focusing more now on the importance of environmental, social and governance (ESG) in investing.



Chamath Palihapitiya (Social Capital): Long Tesla 2022 Convertible Bonds

He called Elon Musk this generation's "Thomas Edison."  Thinks playing the bonds means no money lost as long as the company is worth at least $15 billion.  Argues company will have 5% of car market in the next decade.  They don't spend on advertising or a dealer network, don't have unions, etc.  Very capital intensive.  Called TSLA "unmodelable."



Josh Resnick (Jericho Capital):  Short Frontier Communications (FTR)

Massive debtload and deteriorating EBITDA which is a bad combination.  Has been short for five years, from $4 down to $1.50, longest short of his career.  Thinks company goes bankrupt.  32% of revenue comes from voice (phones) and thinks it declines sharply.  Losing market share to cable as well.



Jeff Gundlach (DoubleLine Capital): Emerging market outperformance (EEM) vs S&P 500

Not very bearish on the US dollar, but also not a bull.  American stock market seems to be overvalued. Questioned the herd mentality around index funds.  Go long EEM short SPY and leverage it up 1x.  Also said he's now on Twitter: @TruthGundlach to fight back fallacious media reports.



Debra Fine (Fine Capital): Long DHX Media (DHX/B on TSE)

Creator, buyer and distributor of children's TV content in Canada.  Thinks fair value is C$20-C$30.  The change in how video is consumed has increased need for children's content.  Says new content buyers like Netflix, Amazon and YouTube are driving up prices.  Notes that children's content drives merchandise and licensing dollars.  Children's content ages well and is usually cheaper to produce.



Davide Serra (Algebris Investments): Short U.K. gilts (bonds), Long UniCredit (UCG:BIT)

Brexit doesn't really help the UK economy, thinks it costs U.K. around 7% of GDP (~$200 billion).  Thinks European stocks are at an inflection point.  Big gap versus S&P 500 over past eight years and that's about to change.  Also talked long UniCredit, thinks Europe is overdue for consolidation efforts.  Italian banks been penalized for high share of nonperforming loans which creates opportunity as the company is fixing this and then added tailwinds of interest rates normalizing.  We previously highlighted Dan Loeb & Third Point's thesis on UniCredit.



Brad Gerstner (Altimeter Capital): Long United Airlines (UAL)

Thinks skepticism of the airline industry that's been pervasive for years is too negative.  Led to lower multiples despite margins that were uptrending.  Sentiment shouldn't be that low.  Millennials are traveling more than their parents did so airlines can be a secular grower.  Altimeter settled proxy contest with UAL last year.  Sees 18% increase in EPS to around $16.75.  More conservative base case is $13 a share by 2020.  Consolidation of the industry cannot be overstated and has basically resulted in an oligopoly.  Planes are full and price wars are long gone so there's pricing power now.  We've also highlighted how Warren Buffett likes airlines now too. Shares could double.



Kevin Warsh (Former Fed Governor):

Thinks a lot about tail risks and tail outcomes.  Feels most assets aren't ready for downside surprise.  Says to watch capex going forward.  If companies are spending, the economy still has further legs.  If there's a cut, not so sure the economy can keep it in high gear to go forward.  Biggest question for him is if lower inflation continues with slow growth.  Thinks institutional credibility rather than the printing press will be biggest asset going forward.



Tal Ben-Shahar (Potentialife): General advice: Do less

If you want to be happier, do less as quantity affects quality.  Reduce multi-tasking and find time for play, for friends, for family.



Sohn Contest Winner Dylan Adelman: Long eBay


Be sure to also check out notes from Next Wave Sohn which featured emerging managers pitching their investment ideas.

Notes From Sohn San Francisco 2016: Morfit, McGuire, Palihapitiya & More

Below are notes from the 2016 Sohn San Francisco investment conference where investment managers presented their latest ideas to benefit charities.  We also posted up notes from the Next Wave Sohn San Francisco conference as well that featured emerging managers.

Notes From Sohn San Francisco 2016 Conference


Mason Morfit, ValueAct Capital

• Idea: Long Morgan Stanley (MS)
• Try to find businesses with enduring franchise value
• 3 defined business units
• 7 defined revenue types
• Did a lot of work to understand the unit economics
• 75% of the revenue and 85% of the profit come from asset light fee based businesses (not capital intensive businesses)
• Long term trend is very positive
• MS has maintained and in some cases grown its share in wealth management and investment banking advisory 
• Risk factors: earnings decline, principal loss, liquidity/access to capital

Mick McGuire, Marcato Capital Management

• Idea: Long Buffalo Wild Wings (BWLD)
• Owns 5% of the company
• Differentiated concept focused on wings, beers, sports
• ~1,200 units with potential to grow to 1,700 units
• Long history of industry leading same store sales (SSS) growth
• Central component of investment thesis:
• Differentiated concept with long runway for growth
• SSS declines and capital allocation missteps have hurt shares
• Opportunity to create shareholder value by: transitioning to a 90%+ franchised model by 2020, improve 4 wall margins (several hundred bps opportunity), and optimize capital structure
• Multiple has compressed as traffic has slowed and costs continue to rise
• When growth slowed, BWLD acquired franchised stores for high multiples
• Average replacement cost is ~$2.3mm per unit but in 2015, spent $3.5mm per unit - overpaid; bad use of capital
• Incentives are weighted singularly towards growth, not ROI
• While unit volumes have increased significantly since IPO, ROI has decreased because the cost to build a unit has increased
• Franchised businesses command higher multiples; higher franchise mix correlated with higher multiples
• BWLD is 50/50 today but recommending that they go to 90% franchised model by refranchising units at multiple of 6.0x EBITDA
• Valuation: if they can move to a higher franchised model range of value from $218 to $311 (versus ~$141 today)

Chamath Palihapitiya, Social Capital

•  Primarily invests in fast growing private tech companies
• Multi-trillion dollar opportunity hiding in plain sight
• Retail will be a $1T business by 2025
• Every company succeeds based on three factors: build a great product with great market fit, develops adjacent products in deep verticals, invests in features to drive ARPU
• Amazon (AMZN) thesis based on AWS and outsourcing infrastructure spending and moving it to the cloud; reshaping economics by taking out costs
• Similar concept for software that will move to the cloud

• Idea: Long Workday (WDAY) 
• $100bn opportunity in 10 years; 20% IRR
• Workday is the system of record for HR and is viewed as the best in class product among CIOs
• Leading market share supporting the largest global employee bases including Samsung, McDonalds, IBM
• HCM product manages 19mm employees on behalf of its employers
• Adjacent products in deep verticals: Workday Financials - system of record to manage financials; now manages financials for global companies
• Invest in features to drive ARPU (payroll and many other features)
• Rapid pace of innovation
• Workday competes against Oracle (ORCL) and SAP (SAP)
• Lowest spend on M7A over the last 5 years
• "M&A is what you do when what you do doesn't work anymore."
• Done< $0.3bn over last 5 years, SAP and Oracle have had a lot of M&A
• Netflix ability to close the books and file with the SEC went down significantly with Workday versus Oracle
• Workday is an enterprise product company
• Best management team in software
• Fully aligned, long term oriented
• 97% customer satisfaction; very high consistent with consumer tech like Facebook, Google, Apple but this is enterprise tech
• Following the Salesforce playbook but doing it better
• $100bn company in 10 years

Carson Block, Muddy Waters Capital

• Idea: Short Tutor Perini (TPC)
• Construction company
• Nearly all analysts have the stock as a buy
• FCF is the Achilles heel - the company bleeds cash in working capital driven by growing accounts receivable
• Loan agreement has been amended 6 times in 5 years and there is a chance that banks could pull RC facility; Business has $94mm of cash on BS but 79% of cash sits in JV so it could run into a major liquidity problem
• 4 CFOs over 9 years
• Summary: business can't consistently generate cash, projected earnings growth highly questionable, lack of management credibility, and liquidity could become challenged

Mihir Wohra, PIMCO

• Idea #1: Rates trade - Hawkish Fed
• Market is currently underpricing the possibility of a Fed hike or that there will just be one hike
• Buy a pair: buy a put on the 1 year rate

• Idea #2: Dovish Fed - Buy REITs
• REIT prices tend to be correlated to equities over the short-term but underlying economic factors prevail over the long term
• Will do well if Fed doesn't raise rates or cuts

• Idea #3: Commodities trade: Long call options on 2018 Natural Gas - No Fed correlation
• In the midst of global price convergence that will pull US natural gas prices higher while lowering global prices; US is opening new LNG export terminals and US nat gas is the cheapest in the world so there are buyers
• Buying 2018 at a discount to 2017 is attractive given US LNG exports are only increasing over the next few years

• Idea #4: Bonus trade: sell puts / buy calls on October VIX Futures
• Volatility should rise towards long term averages if election stays close
• Volatility could rise more if Trump probability of winning increases

• Idea #5: Bonus trade: Currencies - works if Trump win probability decreases
• Mexican peso has significantly underperformed other EM and commodity currencies in 2016 due to possibility of Trump victory and tougher US policies toward Mexico

Jeff Osher, Harvest Capital Strategies

• Idea: Long Echostar (SATS)
• Global provider of satellite services, video, delivery solutions and broadband satellite technologies
• Echostar Technologies: set top box business with $1.3bn revenue; $100mm EBITDA, 7.6% EBITDA margins
• Satellite services: $445mm revenue; 84% EBITDA margins; very good business with long dated contracts
• HughesNet: $1/4bn revenue; provide consumer broadband for households that can't get wired broadband
• Duopoly: Hughes and Viasat
• Hughes has 1mm subscribers with 30% EBITDA margin
• Business is capacity constrained
• 2016 launches will drive 50% revenue growth for Hughes within 3 years.  Given higher incremental margins, EBITDA should nearly double
• Sum of the parts valuation results in target price of $71.76 (versus today at ~$44)
• Other actions could result in homerun scenarios: Echostar Technologies divestiture, Echo Mobile, Dish Mexico, Sling TV, Brazil orbital slot, Pay TV, positioning for opportunistic M&A

Joseph Lawler MD, JFL Capital Management

• Idea: Short IP Group (IPO.LSE)
• Publicly traded fund that invests in healthcare companies
• Most publicly traded investment firms trade at a discount to NAV but IPO trades at a premium
• Adverse selection process - they seem to invest in companies that other VCs have passed on
• Investments are overvalued especially investment in Oxford Nanopore.  It's a DNA sequencing company; the cost of DNA sequencing has gone down significantly and has become commoditized

Arjun Divecha, Grantham May Van Otterloo & Co

• Idea: Investing in Indian financials (non state-owned banks)
• Never think of an emerging market as a place to permanently put capital
• India from a long term point of view looks pretty good as a place to invest - well positioned for economic growth over next 5 years
• Private sector financials are taking market share away from state owned banks
• Dependency ratio looks pretty good in the future versus other countries like US, Japan, and China.  Dependency ratio = ratio of non-working to working people
• India looks good because of improving fiscal discipline, improving inflation, current account benefiting from oil windfall (big importer of oil), capacity utilization is very low
• India is massively under-urbanized
• Household debt to GDP is 9% versus US where it is ~100%
• Huge scope for increase in consumer loans
• Pitch was about investing in non state-owned banks, like publicly traded ones such as HDFC Bank, Axis Bank, IndusInd Bank and Yes Bank; State owned banks can't make loans anymore due to loan issues
• The private banks are very well run; 3-6-3 banks
• Not easy for foreign investors - must have access to local market
• HDFC Bank (HDB) and ICICI Bank (IBN) are listed on the NYSE 
• 4-5% net interest margins
• Valuations are high but earnings growth has historically justified high valuation
• HDFC trading at 4.5x price to book
• 26.7% earnings growth over 20 years
• Thesis summary: well positioned for economic growth, low penetration of financial sector, well run financials are taking market share from well run banks

Peter Palmedo, Sun Valley Gold

• Idea: Gold: data and dogma
• Discovered Summers-Barsky Gold Thesis: price of gold is driven by the real return in capital markets
• From 2002 to 2015 gold real return was 7.9% versus a blended real return of 4.5%
• China gold demand in excess of domestic supply
• Most PMs hold unsubstantiated beliefs about gold but the algorithmic, data driven models will get it
• Own gold in the simplest form
• Cheap, safe and stable; think about gold in the context of portfolio insurance and risk diversification 
• Buy gold if you think we are in a low real return world

Be sure to also check out the presentations from the Next Wave Sohn San Francisco conference as well, which featured emerging fund managers.

Notes From Sohn Conference New York 2016: Druckenmiller, Robbins, Einhorn & More

The 2016 Sohn Conference New York just concluded and featured top hedge fund managers sharing investment ideas in order to benefit the Sohn Conference Foundation which is dedicated to the treatment and cure of pediatric cancer and childhood diseases.  Here's the takeaways:


Notes From Sohn Conference New York 2016


Larry Robbins (Glenview Capital): “Get a Grip.” Theme was stocks can be a bumpy ride for investors, and hedge funds have taken a lot of hits in the press, but if you expect them to not be short-term traders, then don’t judge them by their short-term records.   He talked his book; claiming that fundamental investing is not dead.   He is long: VCA (WOOF) – Veternarian hospital, multiple has compressed as earnings have grown and “There is no Obamacare for Veternarian hospitals.” Also pitched his longstanding holding of Thermo Fisher Scientific (TMO).  Yes, it has FX issues, but it has EPS growth.  Pitched Lab Corp (LH) as well: hit by fears of new technology, but Theranos story shows that it’s not that easy to come up with new technology. On CBS (CBS): the viewing model is changing, with over-the-top (OTT), but content still has value.   Flextronics (FLEX): they got out of the low value business, but still grew revenue 3% and EPS 15% yet their P/E is only 8.5x.  The stock fell in February 19% and nobody knows why. Abbvie (ABBV): has a pipeline, Humira has IP protection, and biosimilars will take time to develop. Brookdale Senior Living (BKD): earning less, but still, oversold. Talked about Anthem (ANTM): 1.     Managed care is still a good business  2.     Cigna (CI) merger could lead to 20% accretion  3.     ANTM vs ESRX contract repricing spat could lead to more earnings  4.     Market pricing says deal breaks, he doesn’t think it will.


Carson Block (Muddy Waters):  Famed short seller says, “No such thing as alchemy in banking” and touts Bank of the Ozarks (OZRK) as a short because they’ve done a lot of aggressive construction loans and acquisitions. Best case stock re-rates due to unsustainable EPS growth rate, worst case, balance sheet pressure.


John Khoury (Long Pond Capital):  Value oriented, private equity approach. Hyatt (H) long. Says 65% upside, and low leverage gives a floor to valuation.  Admits Pritzker family controls company but says they make good capital allocation decisions. Low end, leisure hotels most vulnerable to AirBnB threat.  Hyatt has more corporate, higher end, which is relatively insulated. Not making a bullish call on all hotel stocks.  Saying Hyatt since 2010 IPO, EBITDA is up 66%, shares up only 14% while they have bought back 20% of shares outstanding.    Uses SOTP to get $79 PT, 65% upside.


Chamath Palihapitiya (Social Capital):  Silicon Valley investor. Says Amazon (AMZN) is a multi-trillion monopoly in plain sight. Walked through e-Commerce, Amazon Web Services (AWS), says this is just the beginning, that Jeff Bezos will make good investment decisions. Says AWS is not understood by the Street and could be worth a lot more. (Seems like the AWS bull case is already widely touted by AMZN bulls?) Lots of potential losers as AWS scales.


Jeff Smith (Starboard Value): Activists. In 12 years they have replaced 162 board members at 50 companies. Likes Depomed (DEPO) long, pain medication, like Oxycontin, less abuse potential. Not taking price increases. Horizon Pharma (HZNP) tried to buy them, they refused to deal. Starboard has nominated a new board- sounds like a proxy battle is brewing.   Also like Westrock (WRK), merger of Mead WestVaco and Rock Tenn.  Sounds like a commodity business, but he says it is not, and it’s still cheap, at 4.9x 2017E EBITDA. Has $71 PT, almost a double from here.


Richard Deitz (VR Capital):  They do a lot of emerging markets stuff. He says long Greek banks and Greek treasury bonds.  Went through the sordid history of bailouts, and says now things are better, the banks are finally strong, may need one more round of recapitalizations.  141% upside, 34% IRR over next 3 years.


Stanley Druckenmiller (Duquesne Family Office): In a sentence: we have low rates, high multiples on stocks, high leverage, sell stocks and everything, buy gold.  Fed is out of control, encouraging borrowing, reckless behavior. China is out of control, just buy gold.


Jeff Gundlach (DoubleLine Capital): Comedy show, with art talk in the beginning.  In other words, his usual type of presentation. Says short XLU (utilities) long REM (mortgage REITs.)  REITS are priced at 0.88x p/book, with 11% dividend, Utilities are 1.9x p/book with 3% dividend, you earn 8% net and you can lever it up 100% and earn 15%, plus the two should converge. He mocked the “low volatility” equities and showed that even utilities have had 56% drawdowns in the past. His most incendiary statement was that Donald Trump would be President, and “he’s comfortable with debt.”


Zach Schreiber (PointState Capital): He is the man that pitched oil short 2 years ago, when it was $100 per barrel.   Long USD, short the Saudi currency, he says.  He made a compelling case for why Saudi is in an “unsustainable equilibria” with lavish unfunded entitlements, unsustainable debt, and not enough currency reserves to protect their peg. Other oil producers’ currencies are down 25- 45% vs the dollar- Mexico, Norway, Russia, for example, yet the Saudi currency is unchanged.  Only costs 1.5% to put this trade on and very asymmetric pay off.


Sohn Investment Contest Winner (Mark Grow, Columbia Business School):   DXCM, Dexcom short was the pitch. Insulin device maker (continuous glucose monitoring ~ CGM) which is facing impending competition and is unable to increase price as revenue per user declines. Says stock can drop in half.


Adam Fisher (Commonwealth Opportunity Capital):  Real estate background, now a Macro guy. Says short Japanese rates, long European rates. Very compelling case for how long JGBs that yield only 30 bps have nowhere to go but up. Even a move to 40 bps yield wipes out 10 years of return.  Says maximum return for bondholders is 9% return over 30 years - that is not a CAGR of 9%, that is a TOTAL of 9%!  Huge convexity in the trade.


David Einhorn (Greenlight Capital): He pitched Caterpillar (CAT) short, says company is NOT at trough earnings yet and the mining sector will never recover to the heights of the China boom.  No catalyst on the short, other than EPS growth expected to take longer than expected.  Then he pitched General Motors (GM) as a long, admitting that US business would drop off almost 20% but the currently money losing segments in Europe and Mexico could make up for the shortfall.  Long deck with lots of charts and cartoons as usual.  GM pitch rested on low P/E of 5.6x to increase despite US EBITDA to decline.


Jim Chanos (Kynikos Associates): Got a dig in on Tesla (TSLA), which he had said he was short earlier that day on TV.  He said Elon Musk had not enough production, not enough batteries, and now not enough executives, but he pulls production forward 2 years.  “What a showman,” he said. His pitch was a complicated one, talking about weakness in South Africa, and Nigeria, which led to a short of MTN group, a wireless carrier which is also struggling with subscriber growth and declining average revenue per user (ARPU).  At $20B EV, this is a big company that he says is not cheap.