The China Hustle: Trailer & Documentary

The China Hustle is a recently released documentary from Academy Award winner Alex Gibney and Academy Award nominees Frank Marshall and Jed Rothstein and the producers of Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room.  The China Hustle features the story of the wave of Chinese reverse mergers that swept the market a few years ago.

It details a play by play of the various frauds that took place and the short sellers involved in discovering and drawing attention to them.  Featured in the documentary are the likes of Jim Chanos of Kynikos Associates, Carson Block of Muddy Waters Research, Soren Aandahl of Glaucus Research and more.

The trailer is embedded below with a preview. 

The China Hustle Documentary Trailer



The documentary is out now.  You don't even have to go to a movie theater to watch it.  It's on demand via various platforms and you can get it on Amazon Video here for only $6.99.

Jim Chanos Bearish on Quick Service Industry, Pharmacy Benefit Management, Tesla

Short seller Jim Chanos of Kynikos Associates recently sat down with CNBC for an interview.  Here's a summary along with video and the transcript.

On healthcare:  He thinks the new tax bill will cause the healthcare industry to see deflation.  "We've been looking at the rent-seeking companies, companies that we think have existed on the periphery of the healthcare economy that basically have went after these pricing sort of gamesmanship models.  And we think that's over. We think as the pie shrinks, it's going to be tougher and tougher to justify the ability of companies to hike drug prices 1,000% or charge commercial insurers five times what you charge medicare and medicaid in the case of dialysis ... We're still very negative on the PBM (pharmacy benefit management) space, Express Scripts (ESRX) came out and reaffirmed guidance, raise it this morning.  There's not reason for independent PBMs to exist, for example."


On Tesla (TSLA):  He's still short.  He thinks the company's equity is worth zero and other competitors are ahead of them in terms of autonomy for self-driving cars (citing Waymo, Audi, and others).  Says the problem is that the company can just keep raising capital and if that train keeps going then it's an issue.  But he's still very bearish on the company and sees the CEO Elon Musk as a bit of a showman constantly using hype, press releases and product launches. 


On fast food:  "I'd be short pretty much anybody in the quick service industry besides McDonalds.  MCD still calls the tune.  They're the 6 billion pound gorilla, so to speak.  They just went to a new value menu a few weeks ago, which always impacts the industry.  It's a dog fight."

He points to the companies' transition to the asset light model in the space.  He singled out Restaurant Brands (QSR), the owner of Burger King and Tim Hortons, which has been a hedge fund favorite.  He says while these companies are getting higher multiples for running an asset light model, look at how the franchisee is doing because the restaurants themselves still have to perform.  These restaurants are being hit with higher royalty rates and rising costs, so they're starting to struggle. 


On retail:  Chanos said they had a lot of exposure to the "well known shorts" in the retail industry but has covered them so they only have small exposure in that sector right now.  They think it will be a decent Christmas holiday shopping season so he'll probably re-examine them as they bounce into 2018.

Embedded below is Jim Chanos' interview with CNBC:

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You can also read the full transcript here.

Delivering Alpha Conference Notes 2017: Robertson, Dalio, Chanos, Cooperman & More

CNBC and Institutional Investor's Delivering Alpha Conference just took place and featured many big name speakers.  Here's notes from the event itself and summaries of television interviews as well:


Delivering Alpha Conference Notes 2017


Julian Robertson (Tiger Management)

Robertson noted that interest rates need to increase because there's a bubble forming in the stock market.  Since rates are low, stocks don't really have much in the way of competition for money.  He also predicts that Trump will ask Janet Yellen to stay on as Federal Reserve Chair.

He recently got back into Alibaba (BABA).  He previously owned it at "a very low price" (seven years ago) but sold it around $100 but now he's back in.  Says it's unbelievable how the company has seen 50% in earnings.  While other investors claim it to have accounting issues, Robertson said, "It would have to be such a giant fraud.  I mean, I can't imagine anything would be that colossal."

Argued that Apple (AAPL), Facebook (FB), and Google (GOOG) are cheaper than they would have been in the 1960's, 70's or 80's.  On Netflix (NFLX), he noted "does anyone not like it?"  He said it "might be a little out of reach" now but it's still tempting him because it's run by good people and he loves it.

He likes the cruise industry, saying that "(It) has come of age.  And older people my age are attracted to the cruise ship industry.  And they are booming right now, and all over the world they are booming.  And I think they're for the golden oldies."

Robertson still also owns Air Canada: "We got into it at around 8 or 9.  And it's now 23, approaching 24, and the multiple is about the same as when we got in, which is all of five times earnings.  So we have too much Air Canada, but I can't make myself sell it."

Also noted he doesn't think he'll ever understand Bitcoin.

He also continued to share his view that part of the hedge fund crisis is exacerbated by the fact that there's so many of them now and they compete against each other.

Robertson also gave advice to the younger generations: be sure that you love the field and let that be what guides you.



Ray Dalio (Bridgewater Associates)

Dalio's biggest concerns were the following: wealth gap, social conflict, and various financial burdens (debts and pensions).

"I think we're probably in a 2.5% type of growth environment.  I mean, the real question is, to some extent, whether you can unleash the productivity by some of the changes that a pro-business environment can produce."

He thinks tax reform etc will be a watered down version and will come later.

He likened the current environment to 1937 in terms of the early stages of a tightening.

Dalio thinks that we're in an environment with a lot of conflict: political, conflict between parties, conflict between countries.  "This is very important.  This is even more important than how the tax changes are going to take place."

The Bridgewater founder then talked about balancing alpha and beta.  He said gold is essential and part of that balance.  He called it "an effective diversifier of assets" as well as "an alternative version of cash."  He feels it should be 5-10% of everybody's portfolio.

He also thinks it'd be terrible if Gary Cohn left the administration and it'd be bad for the market too.

When asked what he's most worried about, Dalio mentioned risks like North Korea, but said his bigger worry is long-term: wealth and social gap and the conflicts that arise from that.  He's worried about the various debt and pension burdens.

We also recently posted Ray Dalio's TED talk which takes you inside a meeting at Bridgewater.  He also has penned a new book, Principles.



Leon Cooperman (Omega Advisors)

He said that "Conditions that normally lead to significant market decline are either not present or not forecastable."

"The market is in a zone of fair and full valuation.  I see very few signs of exuberance."

Stocks mentioned by Cooperman include First Data (FDC), which he's owned for some time now and called very cheap.

Also, United Continental (UAL), which he felt has solid management that's identified a lot of cost opportunities.  He thinks earnings there can see around 15% over the next few years.  Operating profits could rise by 50% over the next few years and the company has bought back 2% of its shares

He also pitched two energy ideas: Hess (HES), as well as WPX Energy (WPX).  "The solution for low oil prices is low oil prices.  These two (stocks) have growing production profiles and a net asset value well above current prices at existing oil prices."  He thinks oil is headed higher to $60.  Says the sector has been overly discounted.  Says Hess in particular will increase production.

He also likes Shire (SHPG), citing its growth, positive pipeline, and the expectation of stock buybacks.

Said bonds look like they're in a bubble but at same time notes the Fed has been 'forcing people into risk' via its monetary policies.  It will change one day he says, but not yet.



Boaz Weinstein (Saba Capital)

He warned investors to avoid junk bonds.  Argued that half or a third of junk bonds today are held by retail investors, who have a ton of exposure, partly due to the rise of ETFs.  He feels the high yield market is overheated and he's short bonds of various retailers and hospitals.  At the same time, he's long equity of some of those same companies.  "Equity is at a much more rational price and credit markets are ignoring those signals."

Noted that portfolio protection is cheap but few are buying it.  "Does everyone think they can get out on the top?"



Jim Chanos (Kynikos Associates)

He says that "what's worked will continue to work" and monetary will stay easy and investors will live with the valuations.

Chanos says it's easier to find short ideas in this environment, but those ideas "don't work" due to the underlying upward trend.  He says the market was far more correlated last year than it has been this year.

He's short Continential Resources (CLR).  "People have been looking at the industry with rose colored glasses.  This is a problem with the North American shale business.  If we don't get a pickup in the company's fortunes in the back half of the year it's going to struggle."



Jeff Smith (Starboard Value)

Pitched Perrigo (PRGO), generic drug maker.  Says a lot of these products are sold on Amazon now and the company can expand sales of its over-the-counter medicines via that channel.  Shares have been undervalued from pricing pressures.

Also mentioned Altaba (AABA) as a top idea.  This is the former Yahoo stub that is left after selling the core Yahoo business.  What's left is a stake in Alibaba (BABA) and Yahoo Japan, etc.  It's basically a holding company.



Mick McGuire (Marcato Capital)

The activist investor has taken a new stake in Terex (TEX), the company that makes construction equipment.  They started buying last year and roughly own around 1.1 million shares per a recent SEC filing as they own 6% of the company

McGuire feels the company should see a revenue boost after a strategic re-positioning.  It's in the middle of an operating turnaround and is reducing SG&A, so there's operational profit upside.  The company also switched its sourcing program which could potentially save them around $500 million annually.  Thinks shares could triple, and has already doubled since he invested in 2016.



Chamath Palihapitiya (Social Capital)

The venture capitalist who now also runs public investments, said that he's massively long cryptocurrency bitcoin.  He calls the blockchain technology disruptive.

He argued that tech investors need to look at a company's ability to innvoate: "There's just this massive trade right now between the disruptors and the disrupted."  He says there's a lot of opportunity to be long disruptors and short the disrupted.



Jamie Dimon (JPMorgan Chase)

He called bitcoin worse than Tulip Bulbs and thinks it will eventually blow up.  Said he'd fire any of his traders trading bitcoin for being stupid.  Says it could go up to $100,000 before it blows up, who knows.  His daughter bought it, it went up, now she thinks she's a genius, he said.  Thinks it could be vulnerable to government intervention.

Thinks government policies are stifling growth.  If things changed, we'd see 3% growth rather than sub 2% which we've seen annualized now.  Singled out small businesses as most impacted.

Argued banks in the US are very sound at the moment.  Says the successor to JPMorgan is inside JPMorgan.



Mary Erdoes (JPMorgan Asset Management)

When asked about US stocks or bonds, she said none of the above.  Sees enormous opportunities in Europe, Japan, and emerging markets.  Thinks that some investors are worried about emerging markets due to the US dollar as an 'anchor' currency.



Steve Mnuchin (Treasury Secretary)

He says that tax reform is too important not to be passed and that it can occur this year and might even be retroactive back to the beginning of 2017.  Said the President's number one concern is North Korea and security.  Said hedge funds wouldn't have the carried interest provision under Trumps tax proposal.



Steve Schwarzman (Blackstone Group)

He's optimistic on tax reform, saying the 'worst' we'd do is a tax cut somewhere around 25-28%.

He thinks the biggest risk to markets are geopolitical, in particular North Korea.  He said "i would not be buying office buildings in Seoul" though didn't comment further on how this would affect investment decisions.

Schwarzman also argued that he relationship between China and North Korea is not friendly as it is perceived to be.  "The Chinese do not want a nuclearized Korean peninsula, and they're very serious about that.  They also don't want to have a shooting war occur and have 20 million refugees from North Korea go into China.  So it's complicated for them as to what they do."



Barry Sternlicht (Starwood Capital)

"It feels like the ocean is full of money, but it could evaporate."  Says he's most worried about potential problems from North Korea or Syria.

Jim Chanos Interview on Bloomberg

Jim Chanos, founder of hedge fund Kynikos Associates recently sat down with Bloomberg to share his thoughts on markets.

He talks about the macro landscape, how the recent political shift has changed things, and other topics.

Chanos is worried about China because it's a debt driven model.  He thinks they've added trillions to the system.

Turning to US healthcare, Chanos says it's a system designed to be gamed:  "It's a hybrid of socialized and free market healthcare."

He thinks the kidney dialysis business is "headed for difficulties."  DaVita (DVA) seems to be one play that Chanos is short.

Telsa (TSLA) is another company Chanos has been short.  He would cover the short if the company actually began to make money.  They were also short Solar City before it got folded into Tesla.  The company burns a lot of cash (he thinks up to as much as $1 billion a quarter).  The upcoming Model 3 is the big test.

Embedded below is the video of Jim Chanos' Bloomberg interview:



For more recent interviews with prominent investors, be sure to also check out Paul Singer's chat with David Rubenstein.

Jim Chanos Interview With Capitalize For Kids

Noted short seller Jim Chanos of Kynikos Associates recently sat down with Capitalize For Kids for an interview.  They touched on a myriad of topics, from how his firm has evolved over the years to areas he's focusing on now for short selling. 

Here's some key takeaways from the interview:

On how the rise of quants, machine learning, and A.I. can affect hedge funds:

"In our universe companies are actively trying to give you false inputs. They’re trying obscure the numbers. They’re trying to basically make it look better than it really is and so, if you are analysing reams of reams of stocks based on a P/E ratio, momentum, whatever factors are en vogue, you’d better be sure that you don’t have a Valeant that is puffing up their earnings in a bunch of one time ways because that algorithm will kill you. So4, I think it’s one area, where because you’re questioning the actual inputs and not how they interact with the market price, that you might still have an edge. Might. I’m always willing to consider the opposite. You have to."


On today's market environment: 

"Since ‘08, ‘09 I think we’re going to look back and say that it was the advent of central banking, ‘the central bank saves the world and makes you all rich’. So, QE and zero interest rates, I suspect we’re going to look back and say well 8 years of that policy kind of got us to where we are now, so how is that going to change if it does, and how does that change manifest itself? Are we going to see companies that just can’t possibly do well if interest rates go up by 400 bases points or 300 bases points? That’s certainly one thought. On a macro basis, I mean, I’m not positioning the portfolio because that’s what I think but on the other hand I’m keeping an eye out for companies who might get into additional trouble should that regime be ending. And whether it’s in the auto cycle or companies with really, really low returns on capital that have been using financial engineering to bolster their results, those are sort of the things that we’re interested in right now."


On the auto industry:

"Cars are usually the first thing out of the cycle and so now we’ve been at this sort of 17 million SAAR now for a while and what we’re seeing is what you would classical see. You see more incentives. You’re seeing car manufacturers beginning to cut plant production on the margin. We see more aggressive use of credit, lengthening lease terms, lowering residuals. All the sort of stuff that you typically see to keep moving the iron off the lots. I think this will be one area in particular that a run up in rates would probably hit hard, because everybody buying cars is doing so on monthly payments. These applied loan rates really affect the current industry quickly, faster than I think housing.  Well, I’m not going to disclose (the specific security). However, at the peak of the cycle the company was earning about 6% on their capital. It’s a giant company in the industry. It’s not one of the OEM’s and has a finance arm. It earned below its cost of capital when things were good.  What's going to happen when things are bad?  Today, it is trading at its highs right now."



There's much more from Chanos in the full talk and you can read the rest of the interview here.

Jim Chanos Still Short Tesla & Caterpillar

Noted short seller Jim Chanos of hedge fund Kynikos Associates just spoke with CNBC about

Chanos confirmed he's still short Tesla (TSLA) amid rumors that the Model 3 is delayed with production/deliveries.  "Never a dull moment in Tesla land," Chanos said.

"I'm dumbfounded that the board would go ahead with this deal (with SolarCity (SCTY)).  They're growing into a business they don't need to grow into. They're going to pretty much double their cash burn by taking it on, it just makes no sense." Chanos's firm believes SolarCity is an insolvency ex-the deal. 

He also mentioned how Caterpillar's (CAT) CEO was departing.  When asked if he's still short, Chanos said, "Yeah, the fundamentals in our view have not yet changed, we haven't seen any evidence of it."

Chanos also pointed out that the China real estate bubble still hasn't happened yet (popped) so that's still ahead of us, he says. 

We'll post up the video of the interview once it's released.  Be sure to also check out CNBC's interview with David Tepper from yesterday, as well as their conversation with Carl Icahn.

Delivering Alpha Conference Notes 2016: Singer, Dalio, Chanos, Miller & More

CNBC & Institutional Investor's Delivering Alpha Conference is underway and below are some notes.  This post will be updated throughout the day as the various speakers/panels are ongoing:


Delivering Alpha Conference Notes 2016

Paul Singer (Elliott Associates):  Said that it's a "very dangerous time in global markets" right now.  Argued central bank independence doesn't really exist.  Noted that Bank of Japan is basically a top-10 shareholder of various Japanese corporations but the economy hasn't rebounded.  Called it insane, "It's not working, but they keep going."  Feels that investors are careless about inflation threat.  Says sell long-term bonds.    "There will come a time when inflation, despite growth suppressive policies can blow through targets and surprise everyone."  Says we're basically in the middle of close to a 40 year experiment in how leveraged a system can be, and in how many ways.  Thinks gold as a directional asset is underrepresented in portfolios "as the only money and store of value that has stood the test of time that is, in my view, undervalued and underpriced in today's world and sort of is the opposite of confidence in central banks."


Ray Dalio (Bridgewater Associates):  Discussed ways to spur economic growth with Timothy Geithner.  Dalio says, "We're in a situation where central banks want to drive you out of cash and out of bonds."  Called it a dangerous situation, as central banks run out of assets to buy and push investors into riskier assets.  Dalio thinks raising rates is risky as it's not priced into the yield curve.  "There's only so much you can squeeze out of a debt cycle and we're there, globally."


Jim Chanos (Kynikos Associates):  Still short Alibaba (BABA), says they're "buying anything that's for sale, just burning cash."  He's also still short Tesla (TSLA) and SolarCity (SCTY).  Says the two companies combining basically puts TSLA on a path to potential bankruptcy.


Carl Icahn (Icahn Capital): Said he's requesting from the FTC the right to own up to 50% of Herbalife's (HLF) outstanding shares.  Currently has the right to around 35% of the company.  Re: the market, "I think it's very dangerous in the market right now.  If they don't raise rates, I think we're in a major bubble."  There's a problem either way with a dilemma if you raise rates or if you don't.  Says the economy is messed up because of people like Janet McCabe at the EPA.  Also: "I hate to be immodest but I've returned 28% annualized since inception."


Marc Lasry (Avenue Capital):  Said that you can "make a lot of money on direct lending," stepping in for reluctant banks.  On investing - find people who are talented / engaged / who care and invest with and then don't worry about daily/monthly liquidity.


Bill Miller (Legg Mason):  Likes Amazon (AMZN) or Facebook (FB) compared to Alphabet (GOOG/L) due to the growth rates and margins.  Thinks AMZN doubles in 3 years.  Also likes Valeant Pharmaceuticals (VRX) long, one of his larger positions.  His main trade idea was long S&P 500, short 10-year Treasury (dividend yield on S&P is higher).


Robert Bishop (Impala Asset Management):  Best idea was Teck Resources (TCK): improving China demand, management has cut costs, end of metals 5-year downtrend.  Says Freeport McMoran (FCX) still has a worrisome debt picture.


Barry Sternlicht (Starwood):  Real estate in New York City is "a disaster" with rents at the high-end down 15%.  Noted the problem many investors face: "you have to invest in something, you can't just sit in cash."  On Tesla, says he loves the car but would probably be short the company.  Questioned Pinterest's valuation, arguing it seemed like a lot of money for a bulletin board.  Said Doppler Labs could be like the next Oculus Rift.


Mary Erdoes (JPMorgan):  "They're called crowded trades when they don't work and momentum trades when they do work."  Says it's time to weed out the stock pickers who aren't the best. 


Dawn Fitzpatrick (UBS):  Likes merger-arbitrage, argues that bank prop trading desks exiting keeps spreads attractive and wide on bigger deals.  Said short-term alpha is harder and that investors need to be more patient.  Says women are less emotional investors and better at cutting losers.

SALT Conference Notes 2016: Griffin, Cooperman, Burbank, Chanos & More

The Skybridge Alternatives Conference, better known as the SALT Conference, is taking place in Las Vegas this week.  It's a multi-day affair with many speakers on a broad range of subjects.  We've condensed notes into primarily finance/investing thoughts from various hedge fund managers and investors below.


2016 SALT Conference Notes


Ken Griffin (Citadel):  Talked about how he built Citadel and the importance of culture at an organization.  'Avoid marrying a strategy' and instead focus on building a platform with the best people.  Business really taught him how to delegate and manage people.  On finding good talent: you've gotta be able to sell them on why they should leave and come to you.  You have to go out and find that talent instead of waiting for them to come to you.  The ones that 'knock on your door' aren't the best.  One interesting quote:  "Who is the number five manufacturer of personal computers?  Who cares?  We're in a more and more winner take all world."


Leon Cooperman (Omega Advisors):  He talked about a trend of investors moving from active to passive strategies and says that hedge fund performance can't really justify the fees these days, so fees need to come down.  He said that long-term (i.e. 'permanent') capital is doing good because they don't have to worry about lockups (citing Warren Buffett).  The other winner has been quant strategies.  Pitched the stock First Data (FDC) which recently IPO'd.  Says he's got around ~20% of his fund in structured credit at the moment.  Reiterated his belief that conditions for a recession are not present (a concept he's talked about for a while now).  Thinks the bubble is in fixed income.  Government bonds are a bad idea.  Likes Tetragon Financial, yields 7%, dividend coverage of 4x.  Buying a stock trading at half of book.


Kyle Bass (Hayman Capital):  Implied that investors need to lower their return expectations over the next few decades (5% global real return expectation).  Also agreed that fees for funds need to come down.  Says it's much harder to maintain investors than it is conviction.  Thinks we're in the early part of '07 in terms of credit/equity markets.  Says a hard landing in China is happening as we speak. Argues that China credit system is one of the biggest macro imbalances, something has to give sooner rather than later.  Hong Kong real estate is collapsing.


Roslyn Zhang (China Investment Corp):  Sovereign Wealth Fund.  Disappointed with hedge fund performance.  Compared Chinese retail investors to hedge fund herding.  Criticized those betting against the Chinese Yuan.  Argued that China's economy is still strong and that all of the building is due to the massive population; supply can be absorbed.


Sam Zell (Equity Group Investments):  Cost of regulation has gone up around 5x over the last decade.  Have been big investors in Brazil, Far East, Mexico. 


Ty Wallach (Paulson & Co):  Thinks specialty pharma stocks are oversold.  Specifically pointed out Valeant Pharmaceuticals (VRX) bonds.  Bought at 80cents on the dollar and says the co still has $10bn in equity value.  Could sell one of the many companies they've acquired if they need to cover debt payments.


Jeff Smith (Starboard Value): Activist investor.  Says settled with Yahoo (YHOO), put four new members on the board.  Notes the parts of the company are worth more than where its trading.  Core biz with $4bn in revenue, huge stake in Alibaba, Yahoo Japan, add it all up and it's more than the current market cap.  Said 'we're friendly but no one describes us as passive.'


Scott Ferguson (Sachem Head Capital):  Sold out of Zoetis (ZTS).  We noted how Pershing Square was also selling ZTS recently.  Ferguson was the one that brought the idea to Ackman to begin with (he used to work at Pershing).  Talked about how to change leadership and achieve things on behalf of investors: "Money's a great way to effectuate things" i.e. severance for getting rid of a CEO.  Says things are easier for activists these days and companies are more likely to engage. 


Clifton Robbins (Blue Harbour Group):  Activist investor.  Owns 10% of Investors Bancorp (ISBC), says it's trading at a discount to peers.  Also talked about Xilinx (XLNX), a net-cash semiconductor play; says they have some ideas as to how to utilize the balance sheet.


Michael Lewis (Author of Flash Boys and The Big Short):  Said he was surprised that both Moneyball and The Big Short were made into movies.  Said Christian Bale was dead-on with his interpretation of Michael Burry after just spending some hours with him.


Richard Chilton (Chilton Investments): Sherwin Williams (SHW): makes premium paint and coatings.  Says the company's purchase of Valspar was years in the making and they can repay the price with free cashflow in about 5 years.  Thinks there's a lot of synergies and margin overlap.  SHW does higher margins in paint/consumer and VAL does better margins in industrial coatings.  "You can't buy paint online."


John Lykouretzos (Hoplite Capital):  Takes a bit of an issue with the 'oligopoly' theme of airlines, saying it's still a competitive industry with margin pressure.  Bearish on the industry.  Main threats: excess capacity, union labor wage hikes, and of course higher oil prices.  Says that low cost carriers (LCC's) have basically destroyed the chance for legacy airlines to become a true oligopoly.  Thinks American Airlines (AAL) is the most compelling short play there.  Has some of the highest costs & exposure to rising oil.  High leverage.  Weakest FCF generation of the group.  Thinks that Southwest Airlines (LUV) can still add capacity even at higher oil prices (~$80 or so) and still generate high IRR.


John Burbank (Passport Capital):  Says China won't let outside companies 'win' especially Facebook.  "It's a hard place to win if you're not Chinese."  (While he didn't mention it, just look at Amazon's failed venture there as well).  Burbank owns Tencent (700.HK) with short Chinese Renminbi as partial hedge.  Thinks it isn't as much of a crowded trade as Facebook (FB) is.  His slide also said "Short FXI: Hedge out 'Old China' country-specific risk with China large cap ETF."


Jim Chanos (Kynikos Associates): Still short Cheniere Energy (LNG), calling it a 'pipe dream' and very expensive to peers.  Trades at 11-12x EV/EBITDA using "base case" 2021 EBITDA of $2.1bn.  Peers trading between 5-7x 2020 EBITDA.  Also commented on Alibaba (BABA) saying their accounting is dubious and that you don't really know what they're earning, calls it some of the most questionable he's ever seen. Chanos also recently talked about some of his short positions at the Sohn Conference.


For other recent hedge fund manager thoughts, head to our notes from Sohn Conference New York 2016.

Jim Chanos Still Short Valeant, Alibaba, Tesla, SolarCity

At the Sohn Conference in New York today, Kynikos Associates' founder Jim Chanos appeared on CNBC to talk about what he's seeing in the markets lately (stay tuned for our full Sohn Conference notes later on).   Here are some takeaways:


- Still short Alibaba Group (BABA) with his bearish China bet

- Notes that some hedge funds charging 2/20 that generate 8% return will only give their investors a 4-5% return - is that worth paying for?

-  Still short Valeant (VRX) after originally shorting in 2014; thinks it's still not cheap and argues people are using valuation metrics that aren't right.  Doesn't think the company is trading at 3x earnings like Bill Ackman suggested recently.  Chanos: "Valeant was genius at gaming the system. That game is over."

- Cheniere Energy (LNG): Says he agrees that the contracts are money good, but the company's cost estimates are too low.  "You're paying a ridiculous price for 2020 cashflows compared to any other energy play you can buy today."  Asks how profitable can the plants operate and at what capital cost?

- Short Elon Musk: betting against Tesla (TSLA) and SolarCity (SCTY) still.  Sees flood of executives leaving TSLA as a negative sign.  Since the company can't really make money selling a $100,000 car, how are they going to do so selling a $35000 car (upcoming Model 3)?  Feels TSLA will need to raise money eventually.  Thinks SCTY gets in financial trouble in 2016.

We'll post video of his appearance if/when it becomes available.

Jim Chanos Interview: Glencore, Tesla, Volkswagen & More

Short seller Jim Chanos of Kynikos Associates appeared on Bloomberg TV and talked about some of his latest short positions.  Here are some of the highlights:

On Glencore:  "We're not going to comment on our position on Glencore. But I will say is we know the company pretty well.  Let's just say I'm a potential purchaser ... to close out a short you have to buy stock."

On Volkswagen:  "No, we don't want to be short.  If anything I think we'd be looking at Volkswagen on the long side. But we have not invested in Volkswagen.  I think they'll survive"

On Tesla:  "We haven't disclosed our position officially in Tesla. Let's just say I'm not very positive on the company and we'll leave it at that."

He also ended by saying his favorite short right now is US E&P companies.

Embedded below are the videos of Chanos' appearance on Bloomberg TV:

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We've also posted up Chanos' thoughts on some of his other shorts as well.

Jim Chanos Short Cheniere Energy, Caterpillar, Solar City & More: Interview

Noted short seller Jim Chanos, founder of Kynikos Associates recently appeared on CNBC to share his thoughts.

During the interview, he revealed a new short position: Cheniere Energy (LNG).  We've highlighted how Carl Icahn went long LNG recently.  There are also numerous other prominent hedge funds long.

Chanos, on the other hand, has been negative on the liquefied natural gas space over the past six months, thinking it's a "looming disaster" because it's tied into Asia and that LNG demand isn't growing anymore.

He went on to say, "LNG has been seen as a unique animal because it's going to be U.S. based, they're opening its Sabine Pass later this year.  With the stock at 30 times 2020 earnings, with the upside coming from a glutted market, we think the risk/reward in this, given where other LNG plays are in Australia and elsewhere, is just completely out of whack."

Chanos noted he's still short Caterpillar (CAT) but has covered his Joy Global (JOYG) short.  He argues CAT is trading at a rich multiple relative to its peers and that the company isn't letting on just how bad things are out there.

Chanos is also negative on pretty much everything in the PC chain.  He argues that "the value in the hardware chain gets competed away" as the products are commoditized.  He's short Hewlett Packard (HPQ) and some PC manufacturers in Asia.  He's hedged this by being long Apple (AAPL) with better growth and products.

He called Tesla (TSLA) "silly" as it trades on 2025 earnings that's become a momentum and concept stock. Regarding other Elon Musk companies, he thinks Solar City (SCTY) is the most problematic.

On China, Chanos continues to be concerned.  He says that "one of the worries we've always had was they were going to lose control of their currency ... that's why I think the markets took a real shudder in August."  That said, he argued that the US is the country "least affected by what's happening in China."

Lastly, Chanos also said cybersecurity is one of the few areas of growth.

Embedded below are videos from Chanos' interview:

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For more from this short seller, be sure to also check out another recent Jim Chanos interview.

Jim Chanos Says China 'Worse Than You Think;' Reveals SolarCity Short

Noted short seller and founder of Kynikos Associates Jim Chanos recently appeared on CNBC to share his thoughts on the markets.

He mentioned that he feels that China is "worse than you think" and that "the biggest lesson over the last three months, for me anyways, is people are beginning to realize that the Chinese government is not omnipotent and omniscient."

Chanos, of course, has been a long time vocal skeptic on China's growth and property market.

Turning to the US, Chanos feels that people have gotten a bit 'complacent,' noting that markets have gone basically straight up and that's not how markets work.  He also mentioned that he's short Hewlett Packard (HPQ), Caterpillar (CAT), Shell, Chevron (CVX) and also unveiled a newly disclosed short: SolarCity (SCTY).

He called HPQ a "challenged business" and thinks it's in secular decline.  He says "in technology if you're not growing, you're in effect dying."

On CAT, he said it's a commodities supercycle problem.

On SCTY: Chanos argues the problem is that they have a residential model and it's really "a subprime financing company in effect" since they lease out solar panels.

Embedded below are clips from Chanos' interview:

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On Hewlett Packard:



On SolarCity:



On Caterpillar:



For more from this short seller, be sure to also check out Jim Chanos' interview on Wall Street Week.

Jim Chanos on Wall Street Week: Short Selling, Sotheby's, Energy, China & More

Anthony Scaramucci's rebooted version of Wall Street Week continues its streak of impressive guests.  This week, Kynikos Associates founder and noted short seller Jim Chanos appeared on the program.

He talks about how he got involved in the stock market and why short selling is important.

Chanos also touched on why it's important to set capital limits (position sizes) on shorts.  While a short can only go to zero, it can move against you and technically go up infinity.  When a short position moves against you, it actually gets larger in size.  So you have to ask yourself: how much am I willing to bet on this position?  He mentioned 2% to 3% as a typical sized short and never more than 5%.  "Never let one idea carry you out."

As to where he looks for shorts, he likes: flawed accounting, structurally unsound businesses, and businesses on the wrong side of a deep cycle.

Specifically, Chanos noted he is short Sotheby's (BID) as the company has benefited from the easy money generated by quantitative easing worldwide.  While he sees the company as a proxy for measuring how the ultra wealthy are faring (are they buying more art and fine goods or not?), he argues that BID is not a good way to play that because their business model is deteriorating as they compete with Christie's and super dealers.

Chanos also notes he's bearish on the energy space as the integrated oil space has problems.  We've detailed Chanos' presentation at the SALT conference. 

Lastly, he also shared his views on China.


Embedded below is the video of Jim Chanos' appearance on Wall Street Week:



If you missed them, be sure to check out Barry Rosenstein's appearance on Wall Street Week, as well as Carl Icahn's interview and Jeff Smith's appearance as well.  Jeff Gundlach also appeared too.

SALT Conference Best Ideas Panel: Chanos, Bass, Burbank, Cooperman, Karsch

At the Skybridge Alternatives (SALT) Conference in Las Vegas, the best ideas panel featured top hedge fund managers giving their top stock picks.  Here's a summary:


SALT Conference Best Ideas Panel: Chanos, Bass, Burbank, Cooperman, Karsch

Jim Chanos (Kynikos Associates):  Short oil integrators.  Specifically, short Royal Dutch Shell (RDS), doesn't like the merger with BG.  Short Chevron (CVX) as well due to their liquefied natural gas (LNG) challenges.  He also summed up Brazil's Petrobras (PBR) by saying they're "lying, cheating and stealing."  Also check out Chanos' SALT interview we posted earlier.


Kyle Bass (Hayman Capita): Long Perrigo (PRGO).  Doesn't think they get bought out by Mylan, but thinks someone else acquires them.  "We're short enough pharma."  Bass' separate new fund has been challenging pharma patents and says the industry is ridiculous as prices of drugs have spiraled out of control.  He gave the example of Mylan's (MYL) epipen drug specifically.  Says 13% of the company's revenue comes from this drug (which came off patent back in the 1950's).


John Burbank (Passport Capital): Long NCB AB, a Saudi Arabian banking play.  "The banking giant you've never heard of in the country you're too scared to invest in."  He says the vast majority of deposits don't pay interest due to Sharia Law so they'll be in a good position when rates rise.  Harps on the fact that outsiders are going to be able to invest in Saudi and by 2017 90% of investors will own some part.  "All the risks are already known in Saudi."  This isn't a new theme from him as Burbank has pitched Saudi investments in recent years.


Lee Cooperman (Omega Advisors): As he has been for a while now, he again advised reducing fixed income exposure.  He also said to go short on any rally if you're adventurous. His stock picks were the same as his Sohn Conference picks: ACT, AER, C, DOW, GM, GOOGL, PCLN.


Michael Karsch (Hunter Peak Capital): Long NOS SGPS, a Portuguese cable/wireless provider.  Biggest cable play and #3 wireless provider in the country, a hidden gem.


For more from the SALT conference, check out Dan Loeb's talk.

Jim Chanos at SALT Conference: Royal Dutch Shell, Chevron, Petrobras, NuSkin, Tesla

At the Skybridge Alternatives (SALT) Conference in Las Vegas, short seller Jim Chanos of Kynikos Associates sat down with Bloomberg's Stephanie Ruhle to talk about markets as well as some of his past and current short positions.  He mentioned NuSkin, Tesla, Petrobras and talked about other oil plays in general.

*Update: He's now delivering his presentation at SALT: short oil integrators.  One of his slides entitled "Brazil: risk masquerading as opportunity."  Sums up Petrobras as: "lying, cheating, and stealing."  He says he's short Royal Dutch Shell.  He's also short Chevron (CVX) due to LNG problems, among other things.

Embedded below is the video of Chanos' interview at SALT:

Jim Chanos Short Intel

Short seller Jim Chanos, founder of Kynikos Associates, is short Intel (INTC).  He appeared on CNBC this morning to talk about his outlook on the PC industry.  He also mentions he's long Apple (AAPL).

Embedded below is the video of Jim Chanos' appearance on CNBC:

The New House of Money: Jim Chanos' Interview With Steven Drobny

Steven Drobny has released a chapter from his new book, The New House of Money. Chapter 2, The Biggest Short, features an interview with short seller Jim Chanos of hedge fund Kynikos Associates.

Embedded below is the chapter from The New House of Money:



You can find out more about the book here.

Jim Chanos Talks Short Positions at Reuters Summit

At the Reuters Investment Summit, Kynikos Associates founder Jim Chanos talked about his short positions and market outlook.

The hedge fund manager and prominent short seller noted he's betting against coal miners as a proxy for his bet against China.  He thinks we're at the end of a commodities supercycle.  This is not a new view as we've highlighted Chanos' negative view on China before.

Chanos is also short Exxon Mobil (XOM), which he labels a value trap.  He believes the business of integrated oil companies has deteriorated over time.  Chanos also points out that return on capital has dropped from 30% down to 20% at the company.

Turning to technology, the Kynikos founder says that a lot of these companies are in slow decline but are masking it via financial engineering and buybacks.  Last year, Chanos highlighted he was short Hewlett Packard (HPQ).

In general, he feels now is a time for investors to be more cautious as the market's have become more "ebullient."

In terms of best new ideas, Chanos said that in the US he's shorting "conceptual companies, companies playing accounting games." He also said to focus on how the internet's changing business models from payment processors to retailers.


Embedded below is the video of Chanos' interview:

Jim Chanos & Jim O'Neill on China At Bloomberg Markets 50 Summit (Video)

Kynikos Associates' hedge fund founder Jim Chanos sat down with Jim O'Neill, former Chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management at the Bloomberg Markets 50 Summit to chat about China, real estate, and markets.  Here are some of the highlights:

Chanos & O'Neill on China

O'Neill says that most of the reason why China's slowed is because they've deliberately slowed.

Chanos' caution in regards to China stems from credit.  He prefers to bet against China by playing miners, steel companies, construction companies, the building blocks that have boosted the expansion.

O'Neill asked Chanos if he would be against European luxury goods companies that have benefited from a wealthier Chinese consumer and Chanos said he doesn't need to play "third derivative" plays as he's more covered by betting against "first derivatives" such as the miners.

Chanos is bearish on iron ore because he says demand can rise or fall, but there's a ton of supply coming to the market late this year and next year.  Greenlight Capital's David Einhorn has also bet against iron ore.

O'Neill argues that the "old China" is dead and that's what Chanos is betting against.  He thinks it's a great stockpicker's market there as you can bet against old China and bet on new China.

Chanos also recommended a book about China: Red Capitalism.

For other coverage of the Bloomberg Markets 50 Summit, we also posted up video from the hedge fund panel featuring Glenn Dubin, Marc Lasry & Bruce Richards.


Embedded below is the video of Chanos' interview from the Bloomberg Markets 50 Summit:



For more coverage of the various conferences lately, head to:

- Notes from the Value Investing Congress (Ubben, Roepers, McGuire & more)

- Notes from the Alpha Hedge West Conference (Bass, Burbank, Richards & more)

Delivering Alpha Best Ideas Panel: Mark Kingdon, Chris Hohn, Jim Chanos, Lee Cooperman

The Delivering Alpha Conference today featured a 'best ideas' panel that featured some hedge fund titans including Jim Chanos (Kynikos Associates), Chris Hohn (Children's Investment Fund), Mark Kingdon (Kingdon Capital), and Lee Cooperman (Omega Advisors).  Here's a brief summary of their picks:

Mark Kingdon, Kingdon Capital

Long Japanese automakers: Long Toyota (TM), Long Fuji Heavy (7270.TO) Long Mazda (7261.JP)

He says these companies obviously benefit from Abenomics in Japan.  Toyota he likes as an innovative leader with focus on hybrid technology.  Fuji Heavy (Subaru) is moving from low margin to high margin products.   He says Mazda might have the most upside of the names. 

Chris Cooper-Hohn, Children's Investment Fund

Long Porsche (PAH3.DE) - It's basically a holding company owning 150 million shares of Volkswagen.  If the two merge eventually, the stock doubles.  We've highlighted Hohn's thesis on Porsche before.

Long EADS (EAD.FR) - A liquid large cap with a new focus on making money.  Could double over 2 years. 

Long Aurizon Holdings (AZJ.AU)- Australian railroad, a total turnaround story as the company has transitioned from government-owned to a company more aimed at profit.  He thinks it could double over next 3 years


Lee Cooperman, Omega Advisors

Long Qualcomm (QCOM) - points to a large amount of cash on the balance sheet and a lot of pessimism on the name.

Long Sandridge (SD) - could be a double.

Long Express Scripts (ESRX) - company is growing and buying back stock.  We've also posted up another Cooperman interview recently where he talked about other stocks he likes.


Jim Chanos, Kynikos Associates

Short Caterpillar (CAT) - a bet on China's property development slowdown and he says the company is just exposed to the wrong products at the wrong part of the cycle.  Here's Chanos' pitch on CAT here.

Short Hewlett Packard (HPQ) - he also reiterated his call against the PC, saying it's dying a slow death.  This has been a longstanding short and we've posted up Chanos' thesis on HPQ as he called it a value trap last year.



For more from the Delivering Alpha Conference, head to:

- John Paulson on gold, real estate & merger arbitrage

- Nelson Peltz on PepsiCo & Mondelez

- Larry Robbins & Jacob Gottlieb on healthcare plays

- Carl Icahn on activism