Summary of Great Investors' Best Ideas Conference (GIBI) Dallas 2018

The 2018 Great Investors' Best Ideas (GIBI) Dallas Conference recently concluded with proceeds benefiting The Michael J. Fox Foundation for Parkinson's Research and the Vickery Meadow Youth Development Foundation.  Here's a brief summary of the event:


Great Investors Best Ideas Dallas Conference 2018


Lee Ainslie (Maverick Capital) talked with Lee Hobson (Highside Capital) about quantitative investing and utilizing its features to replicate various typical fundamental processes: screening companies, position sizing, data sets.  Maverick has been focused on the intersection of man and machine, instead of simply one versus the other.  Didn't pitch any individual names.  Maverick has launched four quant funds over the past few years that have higher turnover, in addition to their fundamental hedge fund.


Jim Grant (Grant's Interest Rate Observer):  Likes municipal closed end fund BlackRock Investment Quality Municipal Trust (BKN), says trading at 13% discount.  Also recommended shorting Matthews International (MATW) due to aggressive accounting, as well as fighting secular trends like the shift to cremation.


Ray Nixon Jr (Barrow, Hanley, Mewhinney & Strauss): Pitched General Electric (GE), sees valuation around $12 on a sum of the parts basis.  Obviously there's been a lot of volatility in this name.


Lisa Hess (SkyTop Capital): Bullish on the electric vehicle shift.  Pitched Sherritt International debt: 7.875% 2025, as well as Aumann in Germany, a copper coil play.  Also mentioned that Tesla (TSLA) is a religion, not a stock.


Michael Price (MFP Investors):  Bullish on AT&T (T) as well as Intel (INTC).


Marc Cohodes (Former Managing Director of Copper River Management):  Negative on MiMedx Group (MDXG).  Also mentioned Intec Pharma (NTEC) as a long.


Richard Mashaal (Senvest Management): Paramount Resources (Canadian E&P), sees a double or triple in next 1-1.5 years.  Cited increased production and hidden assets as reasons for bullishness, also thinks multiple could re-rate.


Ken Hersh (George W. Bush Presidential Center):  e-Sports is a huge business in early innings.  Sees 280 million fans going to 550 million in next 4-5 years.  Plays on the trend include Amazon (AMZN) due to their ownership of streaming platform Twitch, game maker Activision Blizzard (ATVI), and graphics card maker nVidia (NVDA).


Roger Staubach (Former Executive Chairman JLL Americas):  "Adversity reveals genius and prosperity conceals it."


Stay tuned in the next few weeks as we'll be covering a ton of investment conferences.

Notes From Great Investors Best Ideas Conference (GIBI) Dallas 2017: Ackman, Einhorn & More

The 11th annual Great Investors Best Ideas (GIBI) Dallas Investment Symposium just took place where managers shared investment ideas to benefit The Michael J. Fox Foundation for Parkinson's Research and Vickery Meadow Youth Development Foundation.  Below are some brief notes on the event:


Notes From GIBI Dallas Conference 2017

David Einhorn, Greenlight Capital

Still owns a huge position in General Motors (GM) but has been trimming it since it's grown too large (risk management, position sizing, etc).  Still his largest position by a longshot though.  Still thinks it's very cheap and points to an opportunity for a new shareholder base to get into shares.  Likes they've gotten rid of its riskiest international business and is investing in autonomous cars and electric vehicles: the future.

He also likes Tempur Sealy (TPX).  Thinks estimates are way too low (notes that management's incentives are way higher).  The company had a dispute with Mattress Firm and stopped selling its mattresses there.  Despite that, customers still actively sought out the TempurPedic brand, so the co is replacing its lost Mattress Firm sales elsewhere at higher margins.  Thinks there's also a reasonable chance MF comes back to them since MF has lost sales.

Einhorn said that his 'bubble basket' of shorts in highflying tech stocks like Amazon and Tesla are valued like profits don't matter ... ever.  He says eventually people will wake up and profits will matter and their stocks will crater.  He also pointed to somewhat of a cult following status that is attached to Tesla's stock with all the hype that Elon Musk continuously builds with various projects.  There's around 30 stocks in Einhorn's bubble basket.   He noted he owns a Tesla, but also points out that the company probably lost $20-30k selling it.  Says company hasn't figured out how to make cars profitable on a unit basis.  You can also read Greenlight Capital's Q2 letter here.


Bill Ackman, Pershing Square Capital

Pitched his newest long: Automatic Data Processing (ADP).  Has an activist position.  Thinks it's a quality business: simple, not capital intensive, secular tailwinds (sees lots of growth ahead).  Automating employees.  Ackman thinks the stock's a double.  We've posted Ackman's presentation on ADP previously.

Also mentioned the GSEs he's involved with: Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.  Still owns and thinks there's huge upside there.  He originally pitched these plays three years ago at the same conference.  Thinks they will eventually trade multiples higher of where they are now.

He's still short Herbalife (HLF) and has lost millions on the bet as the stocks' up around 40% from his average short price.  Said that of the risk factors considered for the position, Carl Icahn coming in and buying 20+% of the company wasn't one he considered.

Noted he still owns Howard Hughes (HHC) and while he doesn't see any immediate catalysts, thinks it's a long-term play as a high quality business.

Says average investor can be plenty concentrated with 10-15 holdings.  Biggest mistake of his career?  Not selling when new information emerged that didn't jive with his investment thesis.  You can read Pershing Square's Q2 letter here.



Tom Russo. Gardner Russo Gardner

Spoke about global brands and various companies still controlled by the founding families.  His best idea was the company hit with a scandal and PR crisis: Wells Fargo (WFC).  Previously he had noted how his WFC stake has remain unchanged (around 6% of his assets) and that he thought the company simply became too fixated singly on one variable (cross-selling) which lead to a bunch of accounts being opened in customers names.  The company now suffers from poor optics but on a risk level, direct financial harm has been modest and he has faith in the legal process.



Andrew Wellington, Lyrical Asset Management

A couple of picks:  Flex Ltd (FLEX), co is seeing double digit growth in its bottom line and 50% of FCF going to shareholders.  Trading around 12x earnings.

Affiliated Managers Group (AMG): asset management play, owns equity stakes in boutique management firms.  Says they own really good managers.  Trading around 12x NTM earnings.



Van Hoisington, Wasatch-Hoisington US Treasury Fund

He concluded that we're heading to a recession as the Fed has restrictive policies already in effect and money and credit are slowing noticeably.  Structural impediments to growth are over-indebtedness globally as well as adverse demographics.  Thinks rates will stay lower. 



Jeanie Wyatt, South Texas Money Management

A few ideas: Citigroup (C) as a value play.  Thinks it could re-rate from almost 1x book value to closer to 1.4x.  Since the crisis the company has a better situation and less subprime.

KAR Auction Services (KAR):  notes 20% EPS growth, end markets that are accelerating as well.  Trading just over 22x next year's earnings but with a big opportunity ahead as various leases will be coming to term.

Electronic Arts (EA): video game stock that's benefited from going over the top (OTT) as it leads to higher margins than the typical video game distribution model of physical games, etc.  Accelerating sales growth.  Also sees new potential upside in e-sports. 

Vodafone (VOD): Stock has traded sideways but the company has improved in end markets.  Thinks it offers good downside protection as sales growth has accelerated.


For more stock picks from recent investment conferences, we posted up notes from the Sohn San Francisco Conference yesterday.

Notes From Great Investors Best Ideas Conference (GIBI) Dallas: Einhorn, Pickens, Gabelli

Below are some notes from the 2016 Great Investors Best Ideas (GIBI) conference in Dallas, TX.  It featured prominent investors sharing investment ideas to benefit the Michael J. Fox Foundation for Parkinson's research and Vickery Meadow Youth Development Foundation.


Notes From Great Investors Best Ideas (GIBI) Dallas Conference 2016

David Einhorn (Greenlight Capital):  Likes Mylan (MYL), thinks the Epipen situation is overblown relative to the rest of their business as they're mainly in generic drugs.  "So the earnings that we're looking at in 2018 are in the low $6's and we think only about 25 cents of it comes from EpiPen, so you're gonna earn something in the high $5s, excluding EpiPen and the stock's today in the mid $30's."

Contrasted the situation to that of Mallinckrodt (MNK) which bought QuestCor, a formerly highly shorted hedge fund name.  Their Acthar Gel drug has raised prices from $40 in 2001 up to a whopping $40,000 a dose but you don't hear about it as much because less people use it but says they're more exposed to potential health care focus on lowering drug prices given Acthar is a much larger portion of MNK's profit. 

Thinks General Motors (GM) is cheap and can earn its entire market cap before Tesla turns a profit.  Laid it out as follows:  stock could fall 3/4 and still has enough to pay the dividend.  Another quarter of the earnings are stock buybacks so you're basically getting a 5-6% share reduction, a 5% dividend so you're almost getting a 11% return just by sitting around. 

Thinks the Rite Aid (RAD) deal closes and separately also sees upside in Chemours (CC).  You can view his thesis on Chemours in Greenlight's Q2 letter.

Talked about the active vs passive investing debate.  Noted that "It seems to me that passive money management strategies are fundamentally momentum strategies.  In other words, the more the stock goes up, the more it becomes weighted in the index.  The more it becomes weighted in the index, the more important it becomes.  It continues going up, it doesn't ever revert."  Also called stocks like Apple (AAPL), Herc Holdings (HRI), and CIT (CIT) 'very cheap stocks.'



Boone Pickens (BP Capital):  Sees oil at $60 by the end of 2016 and up to $70 by the end of next year.  Likes EOG Resources (EOG) as well as Pioneer Natural Resources (PXD). Says 'you can't miss' on the later, argued that the only thing that can mess up his thesis is a recession.  Says PXD has a huge amount of oil.  (In the past we've posted how David Einhorn has/had been short PXD.)  Pickens says he's up 300% this year



Mario Gabelli (GAMCO Investors): Likes Herc Holdings (HRI), recent spin-off from Hertz Global (HTZ),  as a play on infrastructure: thinks EBITDA margins widen up to 1000 basis points.  Says the biz is growing 4-5% and is a highly fragmented biz but with 3 major players (other two being Ashtead (LSE:AHT) and United Rentals (URI).  Thinks stock triples over next 5 years.  He also posted about HRI on his Twitter account here.



Andy Beal (Beal Financial): He was pretty bearish and argued that government policies are basically depriving them of potential investment opportunities and basically said to get out of everything.  Talked up rental real estate.



Lisa Hess (SkyTop Capital):  Formerly of Loews, now manages SkyTop.  Her pick was Constellium (CSTM) as a proxy for more use of aluminum in automobiles etc.



Caroline Cooley (Crestline Investors):  Long Shutterfly (SFLY).  Says they have 60% market share and likes it as a growth play.  Said she's not worried about competition from the likes of Amazon (AMZN) and others like Snapfish.  Cited Apple trying and failing to compete with a similar service.  Says SFLY earns ten times that of its next biggest competitor, giving them a huge advantage.  Likes new CEO Chris North (previously of Amazon UK) and says company has some potential partnerships in the works and has bought back stock in the past.



Ray Nixon (Barrow Hanley Mewhinney & Strauss):  Talked about active vs passing investing.  Argued Buffett could potentially buy Phillips 66 (PSX) around $100 per share.  We've highlighted how Buffett has been accumulating PSX.


For more coverage of other recent investment conferences, head to our notes from the Sohn San Francisco conference.

Great Investors' Best Ideas Dallas 2014 Notes: Ackman, Einhorn, Perry & More

The 2014 edition of Great Investors Best Ideas Dallas took place this week benefiting the Michael J. Fox Foundation for Parkinson's Research and the Vickery Meadow Youth Development Foundation.


2014 GIBI Dallas Notes



Bill Ackman (Pershing Square):  He was positive on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (FNMA & FMCC), which have obviously seen volatility as of late.  They own 10% of each and are quite bullish.  They've been buying both and say private property can't be taken by the government.  Pershing owns common versus the preferred and think it's just as good of an investment.  Thinks there's an opportunity for settlement.


David Einhorn (Greenlight Capital):  He continues to like Micron (MU) and Apple (AAPL), and also really likes Greek banks.  AAPL/MU his 2 largest stakes.  Says DRAM has been a bad business for a while and should make $4 per share as the industry is only 3 players now after consolidation.  Likes Greek banks as they're at or below book value.  Also likes shorting French government bonds: Marine Le Pen wants to leave the Euro and bonds yield around 1%.


Richard Perry (Perry Capital):  Based on his pitch that was circulated a few months ago, Perry likes the idea of containerboard sponsored MLPs (they've owned International Paper (IP), KapStone Paper (KS), and Rock-Tenn (RKT)).  He also likes tax loss candidates of AIG (AIG) and Ally Financial (ALLY).  ALLY = Trading below book value but should trade 1x at least.  Government still owns 15%, last sold some @ $25, trades $22.50 now, should finish selling at year-end.  Also says Perry is appealing the Fannie/Freddie ruling and that this particular judge has been overturned a bunch.


T. Boone Pickens (BP Capital): He was positive on Marathon Oil (MRO) and Clean Energy (CLNE) again.  2 of his picks last year were up (FANG and BAS), except for CLNE which is down big.  He owns 20m shares, could be biased "pride of ownership".  Says he thinks we drill too much and US is only place that's growing production.  Likes MRO because it's cheaper on EV/EBITDA than peers like XOM and OXY.  Says we won't see $10 natural gas in his lifetime.


Michael Price (MFP Investors): 2 ideas (1 old, 1 new): Still likes Dolby (DLB, old idea).  55% of the company is owned by kids of the company.  PC sales dropped but have recovered.  Company can see new growth in India/China.  Undervalued stock, attractive to private equity and Apple.  Also likes FMC Corp (FMC), new idea.  Stock whacked on overreaction that company won't be splitting into two parts.  Thinks it trades $120 or so in next few years.


Tom Russo (Gardner Russo & Gardner): They like family controlled businesses.  Look for 50 cent dollars.  Focuses on global consumer stocks.  He was positive on Cie Financiere Richemont SA.


Paul Isaac (Arbiter Partners):  He likes Credit Agricole Regional Banks.  CMO, CRTO, CCN, CAF, CIV, CRSU.  40% price to tangible book value.  Well capitalized and inexpensive on relative basis.  Shorted French 10 yr bonds to hedge as there is euro risk.  Also pitched Japanese General Trading Companies.  8001.JP, 8002.JP, 8031.JP, etc.  Some 70% tangible book value, trading 6x PE.


Bill Miller (LMM): Buy the homebuilders as he likes the sector in general.  Specifically mentioned KB Homes (KBH), Lennar (LEN) and Pulte (PHM).  Market at new highs yet builders aren't even though they've got a nice clean path for earnings growth.  Says employment is the key and housing starts are improving.  He also said he likes Intrexon (XON).   This is a bet on management, who owns a huge chunk of the company.  Big upside but also could lose half your investment.


Ray Nixon (Barrow Hanley Mewhinney & Strauss):  He's positive on Q4 tax loss candidates, noting that many mutual funds end fiscally in October so there's various pressures that month, not to mention that it's one of the worst months historically.  Recommends buying across October, November and into December.  Buy a basket of tax loss names.  Pitched Mattel (MAT):  Stock's down over 30%, losing Disney license in 2016, losing shelf space, missed the past 3 quarters.  He says toy industry is growing 5%, likes the dividend yield, and points to $1b in cash on balance sheet.  They've started buying shares.

Great Investors' Best Ideas Conference Notes 2013: Price, Akre, Gabelli, Pickens, Russo & More

Below are some brief notes from the 7th annual Great Investors' Best Ideas Conference in Dallas benefiting the Michael J. Fox Foundation for Parkinson's Research and the Vickery Meadow Youth Development Foundation.


Notes From Great Investors' Best Ideas Conference


Michael Price (MFP Investors): He pitched three ideas:  long Hospira (HSP), long Songbird Estates (SBD.LN) and long Dolby Labs (DLB).  HSP has seen value guys buying it, transitioning away from growth investors as the investor base changes.  The company has good free cash flow and he thinks the stock can hit $60.  His thesis on Songbird is a discount to NAV story (around 30%).  Dolby (DLB) has a ton of cash and no debt with huge royalty streams (80% of revenue).  As tablets and PCs continue to grow, they'll make money.


Chuck Akre (Akre Capital Management):  His picks were Moody's (MCO) which he likes due to its oligopoly position, solid return on equity and pricing power,  as well as O'Reilly (ORLY), the auto parts supplier which recently bought CSK Auto and the integration has gone well and now they're buying back shares.  His presentation also focused on how you should stick with your circle of competence and acknowledge when you're unsure of things. Focus on 3 things in a business:  growth of capital (high ROIC), good management, and solid reinvestment (how they used past FCF).  The price you pay is very important.


T. Boone Pickens (BP Capital):  He pitched Diamondback Energy (FANG) which he likes for its growth potential, no debt and a lot of cash.  He also likes Basic Energy Services (BAS) as excess capacity has been taken out.  He also touched on his picks from last year: National Oilwell Varco (NOV) which he still likes, as well as Pioneer Resources (PXD), almost a double and he likes the Permian basin acres (continues to like this stock as well).


Karen Finerman (Metropolitan Capital Advisors):  She pitched North Atlantic Drilling (NADL.NS) traded in Norway which was a spin-off from Seadrill (SDRL).  The spread between non-Norway rates and Norway rates is very big and many contracts already locked in.  She likes the cheap valuation, big dividend (potential for it to grow), says there's limited downside due to the backlog. There's also a catalyst with an IPO coming for a US listing and it won't be too dilutive. 


Tom Russo (Gardner, Russo & Garnder):  He pitched Nestle (NSRGY) and Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A/B).  It seems like Russo always pitches Nestle when he speaks somewhere.  He's a global value investor and is looking for companies like See's Candies and invests for the long-term.  They have a lot of European companies in their portfolio and like market volatility as it provides opportunities to long-term investors.  The last major portfolio buys they made were AB Imbev (BUD) and Mastercard (MA) 3 years ago.


Mario Gabelli (Gabelli Funds):  He presented Cablevision (CVC) as a potential buyout candidate with John Malone (and Charter Communications) active and pushing for consolidation.  Will the Dolans sell CVC?  Argues that the company is worth up to $23 in a buyout, versus current levels of around $16.


Caroline Cooley (Crestline Investors):  She's focused on event-driven plays.  She specifically mentioned Macquarie Infrastructure (MIC) which is involved with infrastructure building, has a nice yield and could see it head higher.  It's undervalued because it cut the dividend in '09 and has limited sell-side following. says this story is probably in the middle innings.


Tom Gayner (Markel):  He pitched General Electric (GE).  He pitched the same stock at GIBI in 2007 when it was $40 and now the stock's at $25.  They still own shares and now have a $23 cost basis.


For more conference notes, we also posted up notes from Invest For Kids Chicago (Lasry, Eisman, Cooperman).

Notes From Great Investors' Best Ideas Conference 2012: Einhorn, Bass, Cooperman, Carlson & More

The 6th annual Great Investors' Best Ideas Investment Symposium in Dallas, Texas just concluded and we've compiled notes from the event below.

The event was another great success raising money for The Michael J. Fox Foundation for Parkinson's Research and the Vickery Meadow Youth Development Foundation.


Notes From Great Investors' Best Ideas Conference

David Einhorn (Greenlight Capital): Short Iron Ore

Kyle Bass (Hayman Capital) on SuperMedia debt & Japan

Lee Cooperman's Macro Outlook & 3 Stock Ideas (Omega Advisors)

Clint Carlson's 2 Investment Pitches (Carlson Capital)

Boone Pickens on Natural Gas & His 2 Stock Picks (BP Capital)

Mick McGuire (Marcato Capital Management) on Cincinnati Bell, Corrections Corp & NCR

Susan Byrne's Investment Outlook: Case for Kapstone Paper & Media Nusantara

Rusty Rose (Cardinal Investment Company): Avoid Major Banks

David Einhorn: Short Iron Ore (Great Investors Best Ideas Conference)

We're posting up notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas Investment Symposium in Dallas and next up is David Einhorn of Greenlight Capital.  Einhorn made a presentation entitled 'If you give a miner a dollar..." and said to short dirt.  And by dirt, what he means is to short iron ore.

While Einhorn said that everyone "should have gold miners in their portfolio," it became clear he was less sanguine about other types of miners.


Iron Ore Supply/Demand

Einhorn started his presentation with the supply/demand dynamics of iron ore, noting that the infrastructure to get ore out of the ground is not cheap.  He pointed out that it's cheaper for China to import ore from Australia than to dig it out of their own ground.  Einhorn put up a chart showing iron ore prices from 1981-2011, peaking in the most recent year.

He went on to say that, if you give miners dollars, they dig holes.  Higher prices attracted new supply and new players.  It takes years to bring new supply online and he points out that there's a massive amount of supply about to hit the market.

He points out the Chinese investment binge as the driver of demand and notes that "something that's unsustainable persists... until it doesn't."

Einhorn then shifted to steel and noted that 2010 was the last year where steel saw double-digit demand growth.  Supply now exceeds demand and they're in the midst of expansion.  Big projects from 2010/2011 are coming online and the cost of stopping development is too high.
 
Einhorn argues that you can't contain the near-term situation since it's so expensive to halt projects.  He feels that ore prices will head below 100/ton and could get as low as 80/ton.  He even said that by 2014 it could go as low as the 60's.  He opined that the iron ore situation could soon reflect the same situations that took place in polysilicon and LEDs.


Losers Singled Out By Einhorn

While Einhorn did not explicitly come out and say he was short any of these names, he put up a list of companies that will lose in this scenario:

Iron Ore Miners (huge projects that will come online into declining markets): Vale (VALE), BHP Billiton (BHP), Rio Tinto (RIO), Fortescue (FMG), Cliffs (CLF)

Equipment Makers (already have seen growth into infrastructure build): Caterpillar (CAT), Joy Global (JOY)

Integrated Steel Companies: US Steel (X), Arcelor Mittal (MT).


Einhorn pointed out that X and MT have had an advantage because they own their ore supplies while their competition purchases ore in the markets.  However, he says this competitive advantage erodes as the price of ore falls.  The price of steel is also falling.  These integrated steel companies are also facing competition from irrational Chinese steel mills that are willing to operate at a loss.

Last week we also highlighted that Tiger Management's Julian Robertson said to avoid steel stocks as well.

Einhorn argues that the equities of the above companies reflect resumption of Chinese demand but that seems dubious.  He feels like companies are investing a lot at the top.  For more from this hedgie, also check out Einhorn's presentation on 3 ideas from the Value Investing Congress.


For the rest of the GIBI presentations, head to notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas conference.

Kyle Bass on SuperMedia Debt & Japan

We're posting up notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas Investment Symposium in Dallas and next up is Kyle Bass from Hayman Capital.

Bass mentioned that 90% of what he owns is in bonds (he has a ton of RMBS/subprime exposure).  He joked that he's constantly a contrarian since many other speakers at the event expressed disdain for bonds (though to be fair, the others were negative on treasuries, not RMBS).  He presented two ideas:


SuperMedia Debt

Before presenting his ideas, Bass noted that he pulled an 'audible' so this idea wasn't as in-depth.  Bass points out that bankruptcy wiped out billions for the company and that the debt trades at 66 cents while equity has fallen into obscurity.  He notes it's paying a 20% coupon and he thinks it's worth par in 2-3 years.  He also pointed out how SuperMedia is trying to merge with fellow competitor DexOne.


Bass: Don't Own Japan

Bass said that there's 80-200 trillion in global debt. In 18 months Japan will structurally fall apart.  "There's no chance at Japan repaying their debt."

He says psychology is important so look at anchoring bias.  It's important to think about how others think about debt.  Japan's debt to GDP is the worst in the world.  Their debt is 25x their revenues.  (David Einhorn was checking out Bass' slideshow).


Bass said there's 3 axioms that are actually false:

1. Positive current surplus, Japan not self-funding:  This is flat false he says.

2. Bank of Japan not monetizing the debt: Bass says they're already buying 2/3rds of the bonds today.

3. Retail investors will always support JGB's: Bass says Japan has a secular population decline.


We highlighted how in the past Bass has said that Japan would be selling more adult diapers than kids' ones and that's now the case.  He also pointed out how the country is having "adult diaper fashion shows."

He also illustrated how Japan is trying to sell JGB's by showing advertisements of a schoolgirl band selling them and sumo wrestlers pitching JGBs.

Touching on the Softbank/Sprint deal since it was mentioned earlier in the panel by Lee Cooperman, Bass noted that Softbank paying 20 billion yen to buy broken telecom is Softbank exporting yen as investors are starting to flee the currency.

Bass says that Japan has one of the "largest structural fiscal deficits in the world."  He doesn't know when exactly this collapse happens as this could go on for a few years?  He notes the timing on this sort of thing is very hard to peg, but it will "absolutely happen."

He wrapped up talking about playing options on this scenario because if it happens, you get paid a ton.  But in the mean time while you wait for it to happen, you only lose a little (we assume he's referring to price put options on Japanese JGBs, a trade he's talked about in the past).  For more on this manager, we've also recently posted up Bass on Europe and how he's investing.


For the rest of the presentations, head to notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas conference.

Lee Cooperman's Macro View & Thesis on McMoran Exploration, Sprint Nextel & Tetragon Financial

We're posting up notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas Investment Symposium in Dallas and next up is Lee Cooperman of Omega Advisors.  He talked about his overall macro view and then drilled down on three stock picks.


Cooperman's Macro Takeaways

He says he's been optimistic the last three years, but is indifferent about markets now.  He thinks we'll see slow growth and no recession (a 1 in 5 chance it happens).  He points to the ECB succeeding in kicking the can down the road and China avoiding a hard landing as keys going forward.

Cooperman argued that the Fed has created an environment that's best for equities.  Valuation is attractive when you compare it historically, though he later said that the valuation for the market now is "about right."  He says investors have de-risked and many managers are running low exposure.  Therefore, the max-pain trade is a move higher.

He believes that a peak in corporate profits in this business cycle is coming and that the fiscal cliff is a formidable issue for the market.  While the economy is not great, we need to see a bigger dent in unemployment.  We recently posted up another great presentation from Cooperman on hedge funds and life.

The Omega founder singled out high yield bonds as they yielded 20%+ in the crisis and now that yield is down to 6%.  There's been a dramatic re-pricing in high yield, but not so much in equities.  He again pointed out his disdain toward US government bonds, pointing out a contrarian signal that pensions have their third lowest equity exposure since 1997.

He thinks that investors will sell investments before the tax rates go up.  As far as the election goes, he's also pro-Romney.


Cooperman's 3 Stock Picks


1.  McMoran Exploration (MMR): He really loves the leadership of this company and thinks they're poised to do great things with their wells.  Currently trading at just over $11.75, he thinks the stock is worth $33 and points to Chevron and Freeport McMoran also being involved in their projects.


2.  Sprint Nextel (S):  He talked about how Softbank is putting $8 billion into the company and thinks the stub is worth $3.67 at 3x EBITDA.  He says the company is growing better than people give them credit for and many investors gloss over the name due to the poor Nextel deal.  Cooperman also pointed out past success by Softbank with telecom in Japan and Vodafone, noting vast improvement post-involvement of Softbank.  In 12-18 months, he thinks S is worth $6.50.


3.  Tetragon Financial (TFG):  He labeled this company as "too complicated" and blasted management at the beginning of his pitch, but then still managed to make the case for the company.  He said that you "go to bed with dogs, you wake up with fleas" and pointed out that the company hasn't had a conference call for 5 years so it's tough to get questions answered.

We're pretty sure he said his cost basis is around 2-3 in the name.  He pointed out the company's 20% return on equity, a book value of between 14-25 and the fact that a large portion of the company's market cap is in cash and it trades at a big discount to book.  It's also worthwhile that Cooperman has also held a longstanding position in similar company KKR Financial (KFN).


Perhaps the most telling statement from Cooperman was that he's sitting on a lot of cash now because there's a lot that can happen in the coming months.


For the rest of the presentations, head to notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas conference.

Clint Carlson Says Avoid 10 Year Treasuries, Take a Chance With PostNL

We're posting up notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas Investment Symposium in Dallas and next up is Clint Carlson of Carlson Capital.  He focuses on multi-strat in order to reduce volatility and said that "what you don't own is just as important as what you do."  Here are his two picks:


Carlson Says Avoid 10 Year Treasuries

His first play was to not own 10 year government bonds in any currency.  We've highlighted how Lee Cooperman strongly dislikes treasuries at this juncture and Carlson echoed those sentiments.  He said that many people are overlooking the fact that rates could jump higher.  While the Fed Funds rate will remain low, the 10 year doesn't necessarily follow that.  Carlson also does not believe we go the way of Japan.

He says that treasuries are not a good risk/reward and event co-founder Shad Rowe quoted Jim Grant, saying that these bonds offer return-free risk.  Carlson, however, said that you can't short treasuries now because the Fed can buy longer than you can remain solvent.  He dislikes corporate bonds as well and says to keep that exposure to a minimum for diversification.


Carlson's 2nd Pick: PostNL

His second idea was probably the most 'true hedgie' play at the conference.  What we mean by that is that it's a cheap option on risk arbitrage but also a fundamental investment.  His pick was PostNL (AMS:PNL or PNYLL via ADR).  The Dutch delivery company represents the "perfect storm" he says.

PostNL owns almost a 30% stake in TNT Express, which is set to be taken over by UPS (pending deal closure).  Carlson argues there's a range of outcomes which is why it's compelling.

Scenario 1: The deal does not close and downside is 20%.
Scenario 2: The deal does not close but significant upside remains if the market values PNL's TNT Express stake
Scenario 3: The deal closes, PNL gets 1.5bn and the stock doubles

Carlson thinks the deal closes, but points out this is a risky bet.

On the fundamental side of the investment, he points out how operating margins have tanked from 14% down to 7% and they're modeling an improvement up to 8-9%.  He points out how mail volumes in the Netherlands have dropped 10% per year and so that's a risk.  Carlson thinks that it's close to the trough, but that Europe doesn't improve for 4-5 years.

In order to compete, the company either has to raise prices otherwise they'll shut down.  He thinks it's also a potential leveraged buyout (LBO) candidate and that "this will be a volatile trade."  Right now there's a big percentage of owners that are event-driven or risk arbitrage funds.  If the deal falls through, there will be an ownership shift.

Carlson is focused on the end-game here and sees this as a 6 month - 1 year holding.  He says you could buy 1/2 a position now and buy another 1/2 to "double down" if the chance presents itself at lower levels.  We also took notice that Lee Cooperman (also on the panel) was taking notes on this pitch.


For the rest of the presentations, head to notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas conference.

Boone Pickens Says Natural Gas Heading Higher, Likes National Oilwell Varco & Pioneer Natural Resources

We're posting up notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas Investment Symposium in Dallas and next up is Boone Pickens of BP Capital Management.  The legendary energy man focused on, you guessed it, energy.

Pickens started his presentation talking about how the oil industry has changed over the past 10 years and how he thinks we can rebuild the economy off of cheap energy.  In politics, he thinks Romney will win the election and says he has the first true US energy plan (though it's not complete and he'd like to see more natural gas used).


Pickens on Natural Gas

One of the bolder calls of the conference was made when T. Boone argued that natural gas prices would rise to $4.50 or $5 in the next year and could see $6 by 2015.


Pickens' Stock Picks

At GIBI, Pickens recommended two stocks.  His first pick was National Oilwell Varco (NOV).  It currently trades at just under $74 and he thinks it will see $100.  He points to the company's huge shale opportunity for development and that there's still support for oil domestically and internationally.

His second pick was Pioneer Natural Resources (PXD), which he likes due to their great assets, pointing to 900,000 acres (of which he specifically mentioned the Permian basin assets).  He says they'll be drilling for a while.  The stock currently trades at just under $106 and he thinks it sees $150.


For the rest of the presentations, head to notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas conference.

Mick McGuire on Cincinnati Bell, Corrections Corp & NCR Corp

We're posting up notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas Investment Symposium in Dallas and next up is Mick McGuire of Marcato Capital Management.  He focuses on companies with market caps between $1-5 billion and employs activism where needed.  He previously worked for Bill Ackman's Pershing Square.  He pitched 3 ideas:


Long Cincinnati Bell (CBB)

Trading around an EV of 3.8bn, McGuire highlights that Cincinnati Bell is actually two companies in one: a legacy telecom company that generates cashflow but is declining and a data center/colocation business that is seeing 20% growth year over year.

Currently, CBB uses free cash flow to fund the data center growth.  The stock is disliked by both growth and yield investors so the solution is to split the businesses.

The company will be spinning off its data center business as a REIT.  Then the telco business can de-lever, pay a dividend and repurchase shares.  McGuire is looking for a December or Q1 initial public offering (IPO).  His sum of the parts yields a target price of $8.30.

We just posted yesterday how Marcato Capital Management filed a 13G on CBB and are now one of the largest owners.


Corrections Corp of America (CXW)

This is an oldie but goodie as McGuire's previous employer, Pershing Square, had also owned Corrections Corp in the past.  Marcato Capital Management says this is a name with a hard catalyst in the form of a REIT conversion.

McGuire has been working with Corvex Management on this one (Keith Meister's activist firm) and CXW is waiting on approval.

The fundamental thesis on this name is that there's an "acute overcrowding problem in public prisons."  McGuire argues that private prisons like CXW are a better option and there's significant barriers to entry here.  The average cost per bed is 80k+ for government versus 55-65k for private.  He also points to incremental margins being high.

Given the theme of REIT conversions this year in the markets, McGuire highlighted why it's beneficial to be a REIT: free cashflow by tax savings, superior credit rating, and cap rates.  He says CXW trading at 15x AFFO would be worth $50/share.


NCR Corp (NCR)

McGuire's last idea is National Cash Register (NCR).  They supply ATM's and point of sale (POS) devices.  They have an incumbent position in the market and ATM's are their primary focus.  He likes that they have high barriers to entry due to the frequent servicing requirements of ATMs (Diebold is their main US competitor).

He pointed out that emerging markets are driving growth and that there are often regional duopolies in the segment.  In North America, we're in the midst of a big upgrade cycle for money center banks but it's just begun for smaller banks.  The thought here is that banks pay up for advanced ATMs to reduce in-branch spending.

McGuire also points out that NCR is #2 in self-checkout point of sale, behind IBM.  This has been a big trend popping up around the country.

He points out that the growth is obscured by the company's underfunded pension.  The company issued $600mm in debt at 5% to help fund it.  Marcato Capital Management originally built their position in the spring.  He likes the 11% free cash flow yield and sees 35% upside.  He sees $3.80 in EPS in 2015.

For more from this hedgie, we've previously posted McGuire's 3 ideas from the Value Investing Congress.


For the rest of the presentations, head to notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas conference.

Susan Byrne's Investment Outlook: Likes Kapstone Paper & Media Nusantara

We're posting up notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas Investment Symposium in Dallas and next up is Susan Byrne of Westwood Holdings.  Westwood serves various institutional clients and manages $15 billion.


Byrne's Investment Outlook

She started by focusing on Westwood's outlook that in the next 1-3 years we'll see slow below potential GDP growth.  She disagrees with Lee Cooperman a little bit. She's more positive on corporate earnings and likes playing high quality names globally.

Byrne thinks we'll see rising but tame inflation and she likes to play companies that have yields higher than the S&P 500.  She said that the "ultimate risk instrument is stocks" so you need some insulation/protection in the form of a dividend.

She likes companies that grow dividends and put up a chart of the likes of Microsoft (MSFT), Exxon Mobil (XOM), Honeywell (HON), Johnson & Johnson (JNJ), General Electric (GE), and Automatic Data Processing (ADP).  She points out that all of these have equity yielding more than their bonds.

Byrne feels the S&P is "somewhat undervalued" by 10-12% and she wants to beat inflation with dividend yields.  She said to look at emerging markets, in particular Indonesia.


Byrne's Stock Picks

And speaking of Indonesia, she had a stock pick from that country via shares of Media Nusantara (PTMEY via ADR), an advertising company there.  She points out that they're growing advertising by 22% a year and you can play it in the domestic market or via ADR.  The company has a 2% dividend and a mid-teens multiple.


Byrne also pitched a domestic small-cap play via Kapstone Paper (KS).  It trades at 5x EV/EBITDA, has a 10% free cash flow yield and the company's price increases for their products are holding.


For the rest of the presentations, head to notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas conference.

Rusty Rose Says Avoid Major Banks

We're posting up notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas Investment Symposium in Dallas and next up is Rusty Rose of Cardinal Investment Company.

Rose: Avoid Major Banks

His presentation centered around avoiding major banks as investments.  He argued that they've gotten so big and have strayed from what true banks used to be that you no longer really know what you're investing in.

Rose rattled off a list of reasons why, including capital structure, subsidy (banks enjoy low regulated interest rates), and structural mismatch among others.  He feels that banks should compete without subsidy and that the deposit guarantee should be axed.

He wondered why analysts use book value for banks when they don't underestimate assets and they don't overestimate liabilities.  He also feels banks are still over-levered and taking too much risk (due to management incentives).

Rose also touched on how the regulatory/political environment for financials peaked in 2008.  He compared big bank stocks to Paris Hilton, saying both are famous for being famous.


For the rest of the presentations, head to notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas conference.

Great Investors' Best Ideas Symposium: Einhorn, Ackman, Bass, Chanos & More

Investment conference season is in full swing and up next on the circuit is the Great Investors' Best Ideas Investment Symposium in Dallas, Texas.

The sixth annual event will take place on Tuesday, October 30th, at the Winspear Opera House.  All proceeds will be donated to the Michael J. Fox Foundation for Parkinson's Research and the Vickery Meadow Youth Development Foundation.  You can register for the event by clicking here.

Since inception, the event has raised more than $6 million. Founded by Shad Rowe (Greenbrier Partners) and John Neill (Telesis Company), the event's goal is to "enlighten, inspire and inform attendees while raising much-needed funds for two worthy causes."

The panel of speakers at this symposium features prominent hedge fund managers, all of whom have been featured on Market Folly at one point or another.  Here's your chance to hear all of them speak at one event:

Speakers List

David Einhorn (Greenlight Capital)
Bill Ackman (Pershing Square Capital)
Kyle Bass (Hayman Capital)
Jim Chanos (Kynikos Associates)
Lee Cooperman (Omega Advisors)
Boone Pickens (BP Capital Management)
Michael Price (MFP Investors)
Clint Carlson (Carlson Capital)
Rusty Rose (Cardinal Investment Company)

Moderator: Gretchen Morgenson of The New York Times 


Event Information

Date & Time: October 30th, 2012 from 2:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. with a cocktail reception afterwards

Location: Dallas, TX at the Winspear Opera House

Website: www.gibidallas.com

Phone: 214-754-9997

Email: info@gibidallas.com

Registration Form: Click here to download the .pdf


The GIBI registration form is also embedded below:





This should be a fantastic event both for investment ideas and networking.  Market Folly will be attending so we encourage everyone to come say hi and to support some great causes.  You can learn more and register for the event by clicking here.

Great Investors' Best Ideas Symposium: Notes Part 2

If you missed our first post, we've already covered our first set of notes from the Great Investors' Best Ideas Symposium. In that particular post, we detailed investment ideas from prominent hedge fund players Bill Ackman of Pershing Square & David Einhorn of Greenlight Capital amongst many others and we highly recommend checking it out. This post is a continuation of those notes as we wanted to post up some other notable investors' ideas that weren't covered in the first article.

Mario Gabelli, GAMCO Investors

Gabelli thinks the stock market will center around 7-9% returns for the next decade but thinks that talented managers will outperform that. His investment idea was National Fuel Gas (NFG). They are a major natural gas player and have a large holding in the Marcellus Shale, something he feels is not reflected in the stock price. Gabelli said that their business has a value of $42 per share and if it's trading around $46, you are getting around a million acres in the Marcellus shale for only a 'few bucks.'


Karen Finerman, Metropolitan Capital Advisors

Some of you may recognize this name from her frequent appearances on CNBC's show Fast Money. If you're unfamiliar, Finerman runs a long/short equity hedge fund. At the conference, Finerman focused on Golar LNG Limited (GLNG), a liquid natural gas carrier. She has presented this pick numerous times on television before and clearly has conviction in this play. Her thoughts were that GLNG is the premier player in the space and that they would eventually pay up to a 10% dividend based on the companies they own.


James Grant, Grant's Interest Rate Observer

We already covered some of James Grant's thoughts in our first set of notes, but we wanted to cover his insight in more detail. He presented two stock picks that are essentially options on inflation, citing that the Federal Reserve is 'late to arrive and late to leave.' He focused on UTS Energy (UTS) a Canadian company focused on the Canadian oil sands and he mentions this is a speculative play as they do not yet have income. If inflation rises, his thesis is that oil prices should rise and the hard-to-reach oil sands region will become more lucrative. Grant's second pick was Fidelity National Financial (FNF), an insurance company. He is not wagering on an increase in house prices here, but rather an increase in the number of transactions. Grant notes that the title insurance business is essentially an oligopoly and is controlled by 4 players where FNF controls 46%.


Mark Hart, Corriente Advisors

He focused on the trade of long the US dollar and short the Chinese Renminbi. He feels that the short US dollar is the most crowded trade in the history of financial markets and is set to explode. On the other side of the trade, he thinks that the practices in China are generating essentially the same outcome as if the central bank had been diluting the Renminbi. He cites the fact that often foreigners bring foreign currency into China and convert it at a bank who then takes it to the central bank and deposits them into their reserves and prints up Renminbi in order to repay the original bank.


Michael Price, MFP Investors

We touched on Price's thoughts briefly in our first article on the GIBI conference, but we wanted to add some more of his thoughts. In addition to his bullishness on the Washington Post (WPO) cited in our earlier article, Price also likes Smithfield Foods (SFD), a supplier of ham. The 'swine flu' name has caused shares to be beaten down and he feels the government now calling it H1N1 should help the tarnished 'image' of pork products. He also mentioned Vornado Realty Trust (VNO) as 'one of the best run REITs in the world.' However, he thinks it is overpriced and that they will likely come out with an equity offering, diluting shareholders like we have seen with many other REITs do this year. As is the case with much of the industry, VNO is facing a massive debt load and needs to pay it down.

Jim Barrow of Barrow, Hanley, Mewhinney & Strauss

He thinks there is a potential bubble in speculative raw materials and Asian markets. His picks included Cooper Industries (CBE) and Sysco (SYY). He likes CBE as a play on energy savings and also for their strong balance sheet and 3% dividend. He likes SYY, a food distributor, as a play on the economic recovery and for their 4% dividend.

Rusty Rose, Cardinal Investment Company

He feels that there will be a reversion to the mean in housing and expects an 18% further drop, citing that the Case Schiller Index is still 18% above the historical average.


So there you have it, some more thoughts from the various speakers at the Great Investors' Best Ideas symposium. Check out our first set of notes from the conference as well, where we covered what other hedge fund managers presented. These past few weeks have been ripe with investment conferences and have provided us with many potential investment ideas to sort through. If you've missed any of our coverage, it's well worth your time to check them out as they have been some of our most popular articles. You can read up on the following:

- Notes from prominent hedge fund managers at the Value Investing Congress Part 1

- Notes from the Value Investing Congress Part 2

- Bill Ackman's presentation on his short of Realty Income (O)

- Pershing Square's presentation on Corrections Corp of America (CXW)

- Our first set of Great Investors' Best Ideas conference notes


Thanks for reading and be sure to check back daily as we sort through the portfolio moves of prominent hedge funds.

Notes From Great Investors' Best Ideas Symposium (Einhorn, Ackman, Grant & More)

This is part 1 of our post, so check back in tomorrow for part 2! Last week the Great Investors' Best Ideas symposium took place in Dallas, Texas and some prominent hedge fund managers presented actionable investment ideas which we wanted to cover. Notable presenters included David Einhorn of Greenlight Capital, Bill Ackman of Pershing Square Capital Management, Mario Gabelli of Gamco Investors, and James Grant of Grant's Interest Rate Observer, amongst others. We've already detailed a separate post on Bill Ackman's latest short position which he revealed at this conference. So this time around we also wanted to touch on what other hedge fund players presented.

David Einhorn, hedge fund Greenlight Capital

Since we cover David Einhorn's Greenlight Capital fairly extensively on Market Folly, we figured he would be an appropriate place to start. Einhorn's presentation centered around his worry over Japan and the potential for a global currency crisis, noting that Japan has too much debt and an aging population. Specifically, he says, "Should the market reprice the Japanese credit risk, it's hard to see how Japan would avoid government default or a hyperinflationary currency death spiral." Well, 'death spiral' certainly sounds pleasant, doesn't it?

As such, Einhorn recommended buying gold, options on gold, and gold stocks in order to reduce risk to this potential calamity. This is by no means new advice from him, as we've covered Einhorn's physical gold investment much earlier on. It does seem though that his conviction in this play has steadily grown over time. Einhorn also mentioned that he was buying interest-rate options that he will profit from should yields head higher on US Treasuries. This is very likely a similar inflationary bet to that of hedge fund legend Julian Robertson's curve caps play. We have seen a lot of hedge funds in this type of bet over the past 6 months, although some funds have recently lightened up on the play as noted in our recent post on what hedge funds are buying & selling.

In terms of other positions Greenlight Capital has on, we've detailed their short thesis on the ratings agencies here. Lastly, make sure you check out the Value Investing Congress where you can hear Einhorn present more investment ideas next week.


James Grant, Grant's Interest Rate Observer

Grant focused on his forecast of inflation. He said, "The Fed is in the business of price-fixing. It fixes interest rates and then tries to predict the future. Well, price-fixing doesn't work, and the future cannot be predicted. Other than that, I love the business model." Grant went on to add that he is only mildly enthused by gold, at best. He does, however, see the eventual recovery as a bountiful one and is bullish on the stock market as a whole.


Bill Ackman, hedge fund Pershing Square Capital Management

As cited in the introduction, we detailed Ackman's presentation in more detail last week so check out the specifics there. However, for the sake of cohesion in this article, we note that Ackman presented a short thesis on REIT player Realty Income (O). His case is largely contingent upon Realty Income's poorer credit quality tenants. He also notes that the company continually engages in equity raises and he thinks that eventually they will have to cut their dividend, which will send the large retail investor base fleeing. Head here for the rest of the specifics on this play.

For more on Ackman and Pershing Square, check out their Q2 investor letter. In addition to Einhorn, you can also hear more investment ideas from Ackman at the upcoming Value Investing Congress, which we highly recommend attending.


Michael Price, MFP Investors LLC

In a very contrarian play, Michael Price recommended buying beaten down newspaper stocks, as his $1.6 billion firm has a large stake in The Washington Post. The vast majority of money he manages is his own, so he has certainly done well for himself. For his thesis, Price hopes that newspapers will turn to foundations, hopefully luring some brave souls (Bill Gates or Warren Buffett?) to the rescue who can absorb the losses newspapers are seeing. Then, the newspapers could give these foundations a percentage of their online revenue. What's interesting is that he thinks this all plays out over the next few years. If so, the ball better start rolling. In the past, we've discussed whether newspapers are a dying industry as it seems they are in desperate need of saving. Price is not alone in his play as Philip Falcone's hedge fund Harbinger Capital Partners also has a large stake in a newspaper: The New York Times (NYT). However, Harbinger has recently sold some of their stake.


Overall, a great symposium with some interesting investment ideas. Lots of general investing advice was given out as well, including to know the management team you're investing in. So many investors often pay attention to the financials and valution, but you need to make sure to also hone in on the management team to ensure the company is headed in the right direction. Also, some presenters noted that it pays to be contrarian. When everyone is already leaning one way, trends tend to start heading in the opposite direction. One presenter noted that a contrarian play can be "like a mudslide after a heavy rain. The more it rains, the more unstable the hillside becomes; eventually a landslide ensues." Lastly, we'll end on an interesting fact that Mario Gabelli presented, as he noted that almost all major market indexes are now almost back where they were a year ago. Imagine that.

Note that we wanted to get this out quickly so it's not as in-depth as we'd like. We'll be posting up an addendum to this post tomorrow so stay tuned.